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Re: Date of HUGHES/HAYES photo found nr Oswestry taken E. Eccles Bury
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 28 October 21 00:47 BST (UK) »
There is a photograph with a similar back dated to 1881 which supports a date around this time.
http://www.maartjedenie.nl/verzameling%20005%20victorian%20album%20107.html

I tried to look at the photographer Edmund Eccles, but it doesn't add much:

Edmund Eccles is listed with sons in 1899 (and advertises his company was established in 1855)
page 84/11 https://www.bury.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=14990&p=0

Edmund appears to have died October 1908 a "retired photographer for many years of Broad-street", Saturday 31 October 1908, Bury Times.  That gives a maximum date range for the photo of 1855-1908!

In 1888 and earlier Edmund appears to be operating solo, but not necessarily from Broad Street
https://www.bury.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=10880

This photo shows Edmund wasn't in Broad street in 1863 (and the back of the photo is different)
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~victorianphotographs/family/dated/ecclb.jpg

Following a fire in 1867, Mr Eccles re-established himself in Agur Street
(20 April 1867 - Bury Times)

By 1871 he appears to be in Broad Street
page 10/5 https://www.bury.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=15027&p=0
page 15/10 https://www.bury.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=15030&p=0

So that suggests a date for the photo of 1867-1899 (moved to Broad Street in/after 1867, joined by sons in/before 1899).  By pursuing trade directories/adverts we may at best narrow the dates to 1871-1888 (if Edmund moved to Broad Street in 1871 and the sons became part of the business in 1888).  Like I say, not that helpful. 

I found other photos by Edmund Eccles on ebay, but unfortunately not dated.  Saving an ebay search may provide some dated examples at some point - perhaps.

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Re: Date of HUGHES/HAYES photo found nr Oswestry taken E. Eccles Bury
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 28 October 21 05:00 BST (UK) »
Bury Photographic Collection in Bury Archives
https://www.buryarchivesonline.co.uk
Probably no use as majority of photos in collection are of places. Very few portraits. 
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Re: Date of HUGHES/HAYES photo found nr Oswestry taken E. Eccles Bury
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 28 October 21 08:47 BST (UK) »
There is a photograph with a similar back dated to 1881 which supports a date around this time.
http://www.maartjedenie.nl/verzameling%20005%20victorian%20album%20107.html



I think it might well be late 1870s-early 1880s.


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Re: Date of HUGHES/HAYES photo found nr Oswestry taken E. Eccles Bury
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 28 October 21 10:59 BST (UK) »
I see BlueSofa's ref re the back, a photo of a baby 1881 exactly the same artistically, colour may have faded over time or be a different batch.

With Gadget's- estimate late 1870s (thankfully with source references) - early 1880s they obviously overlap.

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we may at best narrow the dates to 1871-1888 (if Edmund moved to Broad Street in 1871 and the sons became part of the business in 1888).  Like I say, not that helpful.
Given E. A. Hughes nee Heyes passed away in 1885 and we have a photo of her c.84/85 looking older than the subject of the query I'd say it is helpful. E. A. Hughes nee Hayes must have brought the photo from Bury to Wales during a visit there pre 1885 or been sent it by her relatives, again probably pre 1885, near Bury. Which would make it of a relative.

Also I assume E. A. Hughes' nee Hayes' grown up daughter didn't know who the subject was or she and her daughter would have annotated it as the did for the other photos of this era in the album.
Hughes - Llangedwyn, Llanfechain, Llanrhaiadr, Llansilin
Roberts - Llandisilio, Montgomeryshire
Davis - Caterham, Surrey
Mitchell - Windygates, Fife
Hayes - Radcliffe
Edwards - Llanyblodwell


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Re: Date of HUGHES/HAYES photo found nr Oswestry taken E. Eccles Bury
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 28 October 21 13:23 BST (UK) »
Just to re-affirm what's been said pic. 1 is definitely 1870's
& her hairstyle suggests mid-late decade.
Posing with a fan was a common prop used for single women,
indicating chastity.
Pic. 2 is 1880's & the short "V" shaped bodice indicates around 1883-8.
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Re: Date of HUGHES/HAYES photo found nr Oswestry taken E. Eccles Bury
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 28 October 21 15:02 BST (UK) »
I'm curious about fur in both portraits. Did it signify anything?
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Re: Date of HUGHES/HAYES photo found nr Oswestry taken E. Eccles Bury
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 28 October 21 15:06 BST (UK) »
A photographer's prop.
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Re: Date of HUGHES/HAYES photo found nr Oswestry taken E. Eccles Bury
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 28 October 21 15:25 BST (UK) »
I'm curious about fur in both portraits. Did it signify anything?

" ... a shift from the manly fur culture ... emerged cultural association between fur and femininity "
"Photography, Fur and the Empire" from "Women in Fur: Empire, Power and Play in a Victorian Photography Album" article by Sarah Parsons ("British Art Studies, Nov. 2020)
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Re: Date of HUGHES/HAYES photo found nr Oswestry taken E. Eccles Bury
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 28 October 21 22:46 BST (UK) »
I'm curious about fur in both portraits. Did it signify anything?

" ... a shift from the manly fur culture ... emerged cultural association between fur and femininity "
"Photography, Fur and the Empire" from "Women in Fur: Empire, Power and Play in a Victorian Photography Album" article by Sarah Parsons ("British Art Studies, Nov. 2020)

Why not just google it then rather than ask the question? There are both boys and girls who are photographed on fur rugs as many photographers used them as props.

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