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Gordon Highlanders enlistments WW1
« on: Thursday 28 October 21 06:18 BST (UK) »
Have done lots of research on my OH's grandfather Donald Stewart b. 1885, have him in Scottish census 1891, fail to find in 1901 census.  He was killed in Belgium, March 1916 with the Gordon Highlanders, military number  3/5398, 1st Battalion. An Aberdeen Express article, dated 27 March 1916 said that he was "in the Gordon Highlanders from age of 14" which would equal 1899.
I have  lots of info including his Medal Roll Index, his UK Register of Soldiers effects, his WW1 pension granted to his wife Johanna McKay but have not found enlistment.
So, the questions I would like  to answer are -  when did Donald enlist with the Gordon Highlanders? 1899 age 14?  The only place I find an "enlistment date" is on a  FindMyPast transcription page which states "Place of Enlistment Aberdeen, Year 1916".  This is definitely wrong. Anyone have any ideas of "early enlistment" records for Gordon Highlanders"??
Would he have been with The Gordon Highlanders in the 1901 census?  Should still find him surely?  Or could they have been out of Scotland?  Any ideas very welcome
McNab, Kenney, Johnstone, Carrigan, (Cargan, Kirgan, Corrigan), Toll, Tracey, McNulty,  Reilly, Maguire, Loughlin, Banks, McGonagle, Forsyth, McDonald, Michael,  Kennedy, Bagnell, Cronan, Dunleavy, McMullan. -  Glasgow, Ireland, British Columbia Canada, Manchester New Hampshire USA.

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Re: Gordon Highlanders enlistments WW1
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 28 October 21 06:30 BST (UK) »
Wooops  - have resurrected old post of 2011.. how time flies...  and I see the suggestion was made to contact "Family Research Enquiries Gordon Highlanders museum Aberdeen. museum@gordonhighlanders.com  Not sure - vague memory of the museum being contacted and not able to help.  Will try again, though old email might not be appropriate after all this time... 
McNab, Kenney, Johnstone, Carrigan, (Cargan, Kirgan, Corrigan), Toll, Tracey, McNulty,  Reilly, Maguire, Loughlin, Banks, McGonagle, Forsyth, McDonald, Michael,  Kennedy, Bagnell, Cronan, Dunleavy, McMullan. -  Glasgow, Ireland, British Columbia Canada, Manchester New Hampshire USA.

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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 28 October 21 06:52 BST (UK) »
Again replying to my own post!  On checking Donalds wedding info to Johanna McKay in 1914, he states he is a "Shore Labourer (Private 3rd Battalion Gordon Highlanders Special Reserve)" - didn't remember these details.  Puts a different light on story - could have been in the Reserve from age 14 - but still not answering question of enlistment and why not finding in 1901 census.  Have just emailed the Gordon Highlanders Museum - so will let you know if any response.  .... Have just received automated reply - Museum up and functioning... so here's keeping fingers crossed.
McNab, Kenney, Johnstone, Carrigan, (Cargan, Kirgan, Corrigan), Toll, Tracey, McNulty,  Reilly, Maguire, Loughlin, Banks, McGonagle, Forsyth, McDonald, Michael,  Kennedy, Bagnell, Cronan, Dunleavy, McMullan. -  Glasgow, Ireland, British Columbia Canada, Manchester New Hampshire USA.


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Re: Gordon Highlanders enlistments WW1
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 28 October 21 07:00 BST (UK) »
There are two Private Donald Stewart's in the 3rd Gordon Highlanders for the 1901 census:

Born abt 1882
Aldershot Military in Stanhope and Wellington Lines, Hampshire, England 1901

No service number recorded and place of birth only Scotland


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Re: Gordon Highlanders enlistments WW1
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 28 October 21 07:41 BST (UK) »
Do you know where he was born? Ancestry has the following 3 possible enlistments:

Name:   Donald Stewart
Gender:   Male
Marital status:   Single
Age:   18
Birth Year:   abt 1884
Birth Place:   Jeraermie, Jeraermie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Enlistment Date:   21 Jan 1902
Enlistment Place:   Aberdeen Scotland
Regiment:   75th Foot (Gordon Highlanders)
Service Number:   3698

Name:   Donald Stewart
Gender:   Male
Marital status:   Single
Age:   18
Birth Year:   abt 1882
Birth Place:   Fraserburgh, Fraserbrugh, Aberdeen, Scotland
Enlistment Date:   20 Jan 1900
Enlistment Place:   Old Deer Scotland
Regiment:   75th Foot (Gordon Highlanders)
Service Number:   3262

Name:   Donald Stewart
Gender:   Male
Marital status:   Single
Age:   17
Birth Year:   abt 1881
Birth Place:   Daviot, Inverarie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Enlistment Date:   30 Nov 1898
Enlistment Place:   Aberdeen Scotland
Regiment:   75th Foot (Gordon Highlanders)
Service Number:   3098
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Re: Gordon Highlanders enlistments WW1
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 28 October 21 07:56 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much for the info Neale and Tonepad.

Neale - dont think it is any of those 3.  Although my Donald was of the "Aberdeen Stewarts" - he was born in Barvas Isle of Lewis in 1885.  Interesting, I had never seen the Gordon Highlanders listed as 75th Foot.. Don't know much about the military history.

Tonepad - Can't remember way back when i did most of my research, if I tried to do the English census - so focused on Scotlandspeople.  Again the birth of the one in Aldershot is a bit out, both in place and year. 
Will be intereting to see if the Gord. Highlanders museum have any hints.
McNab, Kenney, Johnstone, Carrigan, (Cargan, Kirgan, Corrigan), Toll, Tracey, McNulty,  Reilly, Maguire, Loughlin, Banks, McGonagle, Forsyth, McDonald, Michael,  Kennedy, Bagnell, Cronan, Dunleavy, McMullan. -  Glasgow, Ireland, British Columbia Canada, Manchester New Hampshire USA.

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Re: Gordon Highlanders enlistments WW1
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 28 October 21 17:06 BST (UK) »
First thing to say is that 1/GH were in S. Africa in 1899
which might account for you not finding him in 1901.
The prefix "3" was applied to men joining the Special Reserve (6 years)
with the understanding they could be called up to full time service in
the event of a national emergency.
However the S. Reserve wasn't formed until 1908.
If he was in the S.R. his number indicates an attestation of 1911-12.
The 1st. Btn. didn't use the "3" prefix so an anomaly I need to look at.
His war gratuity (red box) states his widow received 6 10s.
The calculation is 5 for the 1st. year + 10s. per month thereafter meaning
he had 1 year & 3 months service up to his time of death in Mar. 1916.
This gives an attestation date of around Xmas 1914.
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Re: Gordon Highlanders enlistments WW1
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 28 October 21 18:02 BST (UK) »
His entry in the 1914 Star roll, however, gives his initial date of entry into a theatre of war as 11 November 1914, so he couldn't have enlisted around Christmas 1915, or even Christmas 1914.

There are a total of five D Stewart's in the South Africa - Second Boer War campaign medal rolls serving with the 1st Battalion of the Gordon Highlanders. Unfortunately beyond giving their service numbers, there is very little additional information:
  • service number 1862 was time expired
  • service number 6646 seems to have a notation that his medals were forfeited at a later date
  • service number 6716 has nothing recorded
  • service number 6779 went to the Army Reserve
  • service number 7495 was discharged
 

Looking at Paul Nixon's army service numbers site produces a range of possible enlistment dates for the above service numbers:
  • 1748 joined on 13th February 1885
  • 2073 joined on 13th March 1886
  • 6397 joined on 8th February 1898
  • 6685 joined on 6th March 1899
  • 7102 joined on 4th January 1900
  • 7696 joined on 5th March 1901

https://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.com/2009/10/gordon-highlanders-1st-2nd-battalions.html

As far as the 3rd Battalion goes, his service number would indicate an enlistment sometime between the following dates:
  • 5264 joined on the 23rd November 1908
  • 5564 joined on the 14th March 1910

https://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.com/2019/02/3rd-special-reserve-battalion-gordon.html

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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 28 October 21 20:47 BST (UK) »
One useful way of narrowing down enlistment dates is to have a look at the Silver War Badge records, as these record the date that a soldier first enlisted. Looking through these records, and searching for anyone who was serving with a regiment with Gordon in the title, and a service number starting with 3/ produces the following:
  • service number 3/5222 enlisted on 26 June 1908
  • service number 3/5325 enlisted on 25 February 1909
  • service number 3/5529 enlisted on 2 March 1910

Unfortunately there is a dearth of service numbers starting with 3/53, and if you're searching on Ancestry don't search for the Gordon Highlanders, as whoever indexed most of the Gordon Highlander records has recorded them as the Gordon Hussars. So best guess is he enlisted in the 3rd Battalion sometime in mid-1909.