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The order of recipients in a 1727 Will?
« on: Saturday 30 October 21 14:04 BST (UK) »
I know it's unlikely, but do you think the order of the naming of nieces and nephews in a Will from 1727 might reflect the different parents, or is it likely to be random? These are the people who were left something in William Jerom's will from 1727 in Godshill, IOW. I'm wondering if there might be four different siblings of the deceased as they seemed to be listed in groups?

Godson - Thomas White, son of John White of ? in parish in Brading, 1 Guinea

Benjamin Newland of Adgestone £20

Thomas Newland, son of Benjamin, 2 Guineas

Mary, Jane, Anna and William Newland other children of Benjamin Newland, 1 Guinea each

Nephew - William Jerom, £30

Nieces - Anne Horlock, Hannah Dove and Elizabeth Grant, £20

Nephews - Thomas and Joseph Jerom, £20

Nieces - Ann ? and Mary Dove, £20

Niece - Jane? 5 shillings

Two children of Jane ? by former husband John ? £5 each

Niece - Elizabeth Reynolds, £5

David, son of David ? of the parish of Godshill £5

Bother-in-law Daniel and his wife Elizabeth ? 1 shilling

Everything else to loving wife Jane Jerom.

Hope that makes sense

Mark.
Jerome - Hampshire (including IOW)
Parsons - Surrey, Somerset and Devon

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Re: The order of recipients in a 1727 Will?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 30 October 21 21:14 BST (UK) »
If you post small images including the names you are unsure of,  (where you have put question marks in your post), it might be clearer to see who they all are.

Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: The order of recipients in a 1727 Will?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 31 October 21 08:34 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the reply,  :) and the offer to try and help decipher the names, but I just really wanted to know if the people mentioned, specifically the nephews and nieces belonged to the same family group? So does William, Anne, Hannah and Elizabeth all have the same parent, and then Thomas, Joseph, Ann and Mary have another parent? I will try and decipher the names myself and post on here if I can't?  :)

Cheers,

Mark.
Jerome - Hampshire (including IOW)
Parsons - Surrey, Somerset and Devon

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Re: The order of recipients in a 1727 Will?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 02 November 21 19:04 GMT (UK) »
Hello MarkyP,

Yes, I would say that the order in the will quite often reveals relationships. I have over 50 wills from about 1450 to 1800 in my research and frequently their testators seem to start by giving bequests to nieces and nephews (usually stating eg "my nephew John, son of my brother William") before going to own grandchildren, then own younger daughters then younger sons ending up at the eldest.


<Benjamin Newland of Adgestone £20

<Thomas Newland, son of Benjamin, 2 Guineas

<Mary, Jane, Anna and William Newland other children of Benjamin Newland, 1 Guinea each>

So this is the Newland family, whom you may know to be related to the Jeroms or not (could be a brother-in-law whose wife, the testator's sister has died?)

<Nephew - William Jerom, £30>

<Nieces - Anne Horlock, Hannah Dove and Elizabeth Grant, £20>

I would guess these to be a brother's children, the three girls, at least, all having married

<Nephews - Thomas and Joseph Jerom, £20>>>

<Nieces - Ann ? and Mary Dove, £20>

These would be the children of another brother (the boys slightly less favoured); one of the girls has perhaps married her cousin Hannah's brother.

<Niece - Jane? 5 shillings>

<Two children of Jane ? by former husband John ? £5 each>

Daughter and grandchildren of another brother or sister (much less favoured, perhaps because of a failed marriage?)

<Niece - Elizabeth Reynolds, £5>
Daughter of a sister who married Mr Reynolds, probably.

<David, son of David ? of the parish of Godshill £5>
??

<Bother-in-law Daniel and his wife Elizabeth ? 1 shilling>

Possibly wife Jane's brother and his wife, or wife Jane's sister (Elizabeth) and her husband Daniel.

HTH though I may be wrong!



Somerset: Poole, Hutchings/Hutchin(s), Harvey/Harvie, Bullen


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Re: The order of recipients in a 1727 Will?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 03 November 21 09:16 GMT (UK) »
have you seen this?
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/f71a508c-1fb9-477f-a43e-464ecd34783c

only a brief summary on TNA
might refer to the same Jane (widow of William Jerom)
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: The order of recipients in a 1727 Will?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 03 November 21 09:21 GMT (UK) »
This ref has transcript of William's will

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/636555ca-2447-4692-b235-3ab9177c7d29

Bit doubtful about surname Zavard
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: The order of recipients in a 1727 Will?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 03 November 21 09:27 GMT (UK) »
Ann Jerom married David Horlock at Brading 30 Sep 1711

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Boyds has same marriage in 1712, no day and month given
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: The order of recipients in a 1727 Will?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 03 November 21 14:40 GMT (UK) »
have you seen this?
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/f71a508c-1fb9-477f-a43e-464ecd34783c

only a brief summary on TNA
might refer to the same Jane (widow of William Jerom)


I certainly hadn't seen it LizzieL Interesting, but if this is William's "loving wife Jane's" will, and assuming the punctuation is meaningful, then item 2 (a) and (b) don't seem to fit, do they? i.e.

<2. Late husband left £50 to be divided among his relations:

<(a) To John Jerrom of Yard, p. Newchurch £20
 
<(b) To his five children, to the son of William Jerom, to the 3 children of Joseph <Jerom, to the 3 children of Thomas Jerom, to the 5 children of Thomas Dove and <to Elizabeth, wife of Matthew Grant and their 3 children 20/- each, and to the <children of David Harlock 30/- each

As far as I can see, William 's will of 1727 doesn't mention the children of his various nephews or nieces, or a John. Perhaps the OP has more information on this. Are "his five children" William and Jane's own offspring or those of John? Need to study the actual will to clarify all this.

Somerset: Poole, Hutchings/Hutchin(s), Harvey/Harvie, Bullen

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Re: The order of recipients in a 1727 Will?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 03 November 21 14:55 GMT (UK) »
I haven't been able to find out when Jane died unfortunately. I wonder if some of the legacies had been paid out after William died because the recipients were 21 or over, and Jane's will just mentions the legacies still to be paid out to minors under William's will as well as some bequests she was making with her own money.

I think the reference to 5 children, means the children of John Jerom.
I don't think William and Jane had any children, at least none mentioned in William's will.

Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott