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Confused about an Alice Jones or two, Wotton-Under-Edge
« on: Sunday 07 November 21 08:57 GMT (UK) »
Family search has a baptism for an Alice Jones, on 27th Sept 1740, in Wotton-under-Edge, the daughter of John Jones and Tamar, nee Kyte.

Ancestry have an image for the burial of an Alice Jones, on 29th September 1940. Image says she is the daughter of John Jones.

Ancestry also have the image of a baptism for Alice Jones, the daughter of John and Tamar, in WuE, on 17th February 1741.

I am confused. If the first Alice was older, then it is possible Tamar could have been pregnant when she died, and then it was decided to name her new baby after their deceased daughter, but there’s nothing to indicate how old the first Alice was when she was baptised, or indeed when she died

It was a second marriage for Tamar, her first husband was Thomas Holloway. He died in 1739 and the marriage to John Jones took place later that year.

I’d be grateful for any thoughts.

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Lisa
Mullingar, Westmeath Ireland: Gilligan/Wall/Meagher/Maher/Gray/O'Hara/Corroon (various spellings)
Bristol: Woodman/James/Derrick
Bristol/Somerset: Saunders/Wilmot
Gloucestershire:Woodman/Mathews/Tandy/Stinchcombe/Marten/Thompson
Wiltshire: Mathews
Carmarthen: Thomas, Lewis
Australia: Mary Lewis, transportee, married Henry Brown - what happened to her?

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Re: Confused about an Alice Jones or two, Wotton-Under-Edge
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 07 November 21 09:35 GMT (UK) »
You have a marriage between John and Tamar in 1739.
You have a baptism of Alice on 27th Sept 1740 daur of John.
You have a burial of Alice on 29th Sept, daur of John.
Then another bapt for an Alice on 17th Feb 1741, daur of John and Tamar.

Unless you can find another John Jones in WuE in the same time frame, your theory about second daur being named after the first one who died, could be right. Two babies in quick succession is quite possible.

It might be worth you checking parish records for other John Jones marrying or baptising children in the same parish, just to be sure you are on the right track. It could be that there are other John Jones with daughters called Alice, though it is unlikely there will be other wives called Tamar. :)


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Re: Confused about an Alice Jones or two, Wotton-Under-Edge
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 07 November 21 09:45 GMT (UK) »
I will have a look later, as Ancestry have made a few records viewable today.
Mullingar, Westmeath Ireland: Gilligan/Wall/Meagher/Maher/Gray/O'Hara/Corroon (various spellings)
Bristol: Woodman/James/Derrick
Bristol/Somerset: Saunders/Wilmot
Gloucestershire:Woodman/Mathews/Tandy/Stinchcombe/Marten/Thompson
Wiltshire: Mathews
Carmarthen: Thomas, Lewis
Australia: Mary Lewis, transportee, married Henry Brown - what happened to her?

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Re: Confused about an Alice Jones or two, Wotton-Under-Edge
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 07 November 21 16:01 GMT (UK) »
the date is before the change of calendar from Julian to Gregorian and the change of New Year from 25 March to 1 Jan.
17 Feb 1741 would be 1741/2 and over 16 months from the previous baptism

https://www.opc-cornwall.org/Resc/calendar_change.php
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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Re: Confused about an Alice Jones or two, Wotton-Under-Edge
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 07 November 21 16:17 GMT (UK) »
Family search have a record for an Ann Jones, daughter of John and Tamar, also baptised 1741 in Wotton under Edge, but there are 739-odd images to look through - would anyone know if there’s a way to narrow these down, or am I destined to look through the lot?

This one seems to be part of the Bishops Transcripts.
Mullingar, Westmeath Ireland: Gilligan/Wall/Meagher/Maher/Gray/O'Hara/Corroon (various spellings)
Bristol: Woodman/James/Derrick
Bristol/Somerset: Saunders/Wilmot
Gloucestershire:Woodman/Mathews/Tandy/Stinchcombe/Marten/Thompson
Wiltshire: Mathews
Carmarthen: Thomas, Lewis
Australia: Mary Lewis, transportee, married Henry Brown - what happened to her?

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Confused about an Alice Jones or two, Wotton-Under-Edge
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 07 November 21 17:14 GMT (UK) »
think Ann could be a mistranscription. It's not clear, but looks more like Alice than Ann. Second character has a riser which 'n' wouldn't have.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Confused about an Alice Jones or two, Wotton-Under-Edge
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 07 November 21 17:52 GMT (UK) »
think Ann could be a mistranscription. It's not clear, but looks more like Alice than Ann. Second character has a riser which 'n' wouldn't have.

Peering at my phone but I think you could be right. I'll have a look at a larger screen later.
Mullingar, Westmeath Ireland: Gilligan/Wall/Meagher/Maher/Gray/O'Hara/Corroon (various spellings)
Bristol: Woodman/James/Derrick
Bristol/Somerset: Saunders/Wilmot
Gloucestershire:Woodman/Mathews/Tandy/Stinchcombe/Marten/Thompson
Wiltshire: Mathews
Carmarthen: Thomas, Lewis
Australia: Mary Lewis, transportee, married Henry Brown - what happened to her?

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Re: Confused about an Alice Jones or two, Wotton-Under-Edge
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 07 November 21 21:22 GMT (UK) »
think Ann could be a mistranscription. It's not clear, but looks more like Alice than Ann. Second character has a riser which 'n' wouldn't have.

I think you are right.