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Re: Which William Sutton
« Reply #81 on: Monday 15 November 21 04:23 GMT (UK) »
Agh,  Jomot ... the NSW admin system can even in 2021 make some excellent blunderings,  I can trace their blunderings and scribble and mis-spellings all the way back through some of my NSW ancestors generations - those mis-stepped efforts can back to umm.... well .... umm .... 1790s.

JM  ADD ... NSW admin 2021 can even at senior levels mis-read COMPUTER GENERATED accounting figures .... I write it in words ...  three million dollars or thirty million dollars ....
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« Reply #82 on: Monday 15 November 21 05:11 GMT (UK) »
 :)  I wonder why the young lad, Philip Murphy, was not recorded with his mum on that 1825 Muster.

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Re: Which William Sutton
« Reply #83 on: Monday 15 November 21 05:39 GMT (UK) »
:)  I wonder why the young lad, Philip Murphy, was not recorded with his mum on that 1825 Muster.

I don't know, but what really puzzles me is this one, which also has the archive reference HO10/20 (ie 1825) and lists Mary Ann, Margaret, Susannah, Catherine & Phillip as the children of William Sutton of Parramatta, and implies that he was the man on the Barwell ???   Sarah is also listed, as Sarah Sutton of the Porpoise, widow of Parramatta.

MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham. North Yorkshire.  JACKSON: East Yorks, North Yorks, Durham. TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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« Reply #84 on: Monday 15 November 21 05:56 GMT (UK) »
 ;D

Yes,  well .... that's another typical  :P official record.   

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Re: Which William Sutton
« Reply #85 on: Monday 15 November 21 06:04 GMT (UK) »
I think that's possibly Geo SUTTOR at Bathurst. Geo and his wife, Sarah,  arrived on the Porpoise !  Came Free, 

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Re: Which William Sutton
« Reply #86 on: Monday 15 November 21 09:25 GMT (UK) »
Just as an aside ... I have been looking in the English papers to see if there was any mention of Mr SUTTON on his return via the David Shaw. (No luck I'm afraid.) I discovered though that they had bad weather and the voyage took 17 weeks to the Cape of Good Hope and 6 months all up. "She laid-to off St Helena, and was informed that BONAPARTE still continued sick and sulky." (Wednesday,  Nov. 18, 1818 Publication: Morning Post)

(I recently read the Thomas Keneally novel that deals with this - "Napoleon's Last Island".   :D )

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Re: Which William Sutton
« Reply #87 on: Monday 15 November 21 12:08 GMT (UK) »
I think that's possibly Geo SUTTOR at Bathurst. Geo and his wife, Sarah,  arrived on the Porpoise !  Came Free, 

Possibly, although there is a listing on the previous page of Mrs Sutter wife of George, Porpoise 1802, came free (along with George Sutter, Landholder, Parramatta, plus children Cordelia, Sarah & Charles).

On the same page that I attached - showing Sarah Sutton as a widow and Philip etc as children of William - there is also an entry for George SUTTON of the Porpoise, 1800, Landholder, Bathurst along with SM Sutton wife of Geo Sutton, Bathurst.  Both came free.

All in all, its a bit of a mess!
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham. North Yorkshire.  JACKSON: East Yorks, North Yorks, Durham. TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Which William Sutton
« Reply #88 on: Monday 15 November 21 20:58 GMT (UK) »
Re 1825 Muster....  it was actually a complied list encompassing several immediately prior musters.
See several reliable Guides including :
NSW State Archives https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/census-musters-guide
And : http://carolbaxter.com/family_history_hints/errors-in-original-records-nsw-colonial-musters


I have previously mentioned the  Australian Joint Copying Project which is now digitised and readily available from your armchair at no charge,  https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=829521.0   so perhaps I should also add the following - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Joint_Copying_Project  and https://www.nla.gov.au/research-guides/australian-joint-copying-project-handbook-1  and the digitised copy of that handbook: https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-396880406/view?partId=nla.obj-396998862

So basically there is info to be found in the '1825' musters, but often it is not as reliable a family history buff may expect to draw out of official records.

ADD  oops,  nearly forgot .... This is a great webinar :
 https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/webinars/webinar-tracing-nsw-convicts

FURTHER ADD ... ABGR now known as BDA ...  there is a nominal subscription annually for that NON-profit project,  but you can search the indexes for free : https://www.bda-online.org.au/

 ....    Here is a link to one of their informative pdfs https://www.bda-online.org.au/files/MC1825_Muster.pdf 


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Re: Which William Sutton
« Reply #89 on: Tuesday 16 November 21 06:48 GMT (UK) »
I get the feeling we are running out of leads on this query. We seem to have exhausted all avenues. Do you agree it is time to close it off?