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Another French baptism
« on: Sunday 14 November 21 09:28 GMT (UK) »
This is the baptism of Magdeleine duvivier in 1662.

The start doesn't give the date, as these normally do. I suspect it's something like 'the same day as above', but would be grateful if anybody can work it out.
Am I correct in thinking his occupation in 'peintre'? - a painter.
I'm guessing not an artist type painter, but a general painter. Did they have a lot of paint to paint houses in 1662?!

Magdeleine
duvivier

le ? ? 1662 a été baptisie magdeleine neé le  ?
du ?   entre 9 et 10 heures du matin fille de francois duvivier
peintre et de Anne d’air, son parrein Charle bodart, sa mareine
magdeleine ?


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Re: Another French baptism
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 November 21 10:34 GMT (UK) »
I think the date is 31st August (le dernier Aoust) and the date of birth 24th (24e du courant) but I could well be wrong as babies were most usually baptised very shortly after they were born.  I can't find the entry on line at the AD - can you post the link so we can look at the other baptisms before and after to see if the time scale is usual there.  The godfather's surname could be Godart - there are quite a few in the index - in which case the godmother's surname could be Gonal but I can't see that name in the index.

By the way, in case you haven't seen it, the entry for Madelaine's brother François's marriage on 20 June 1685 (sorry, I didn't note the image number but it's not much before her own marriage) says their father François is deceased.
BDF Twigg, Ellingham, Gates
BKM Bilbey, Collins, Brandon, Norwood, Smith
HAM Holloway (Romsey area)
HRT Brooks (Tring area)
LDN Saunders, Beedle
MDX Saunders
MLN Maitland, Robertson, McGlashan(all Edinburgh)
OXF Morby, Cross, Gardner (all Banbury area)
SAL Jones, Mathews, Higginson, Davies, Gobourn, Blount
WAR Pritchard (Birmingham)
WRY Dickinson, Atkinson, Mellon, Pritchard, Ashforth, Helliwell, Hague, Dungworth (all Sheffield area)

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Re: Another French baptism
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 November 21 11:17 GMT (UK) »
It doesn't look like peintre to me, more like printe, but that doesn't make any sense!

tried looking through this:
http://www.vieuxmetiers.org/

but can't find anything that matches.

Did find these notes on the marriage contract for François Duvivier and Anne Daire online. They may help decipher some of the information you've found.
Clarkson, Tolladay, Prevost, Killick, Hicks


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Re: Another French baptism
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 14 November 21 11:28 GMT (UK) »
What a wonderful find, Manukarik, a family historian's dream!
BDF Twigg, Ellingham, Gates
BKM Bilbey, Collins, Brandon, Norwood, Smith
HAM Holloway (Romsey area)
HRT Brooks (Tring area)
LDN Saunders, Beedle
MDX Saunders
MLN Maitland, Robertson, McGlashan(all Edinburgh)
OXF Morby, Cross, Gardner (all Banbury area)
SAL Jones, Mathews, Higginson, Davies, Gobourn, Blount
WAR Pritchard (Birmingham)
WRY Dickinson, Atkinson, Mellon, Pritchard, Ashforth, Helliwell, Hague, Dungworth (all Sheffield area)

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Re: Another French baptism
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 14 November 21 20:49 GMT (UK) »
Thanks jayaygee for the bits out of Magdeleine/s baptism.
Here's most of the page it's on.
It's under baptisms on the Notre Dame film, which is pretty jumbled up an a challenge to search. There are also baptisms for brother Francois 20.1.1659, and Anthoinette 6.10.1660. The marriage of Francois Duvivier and Anne D'aire is also in the Notre Dame registers, on 16th July 1651, (not the fabulous entry manukarik has found, just the regular type entry for marriages). This is not on the index - in fact I have found several entries which are not on the index, so it looks as if it will be worth my while just to go through each frame on the films. As they seem to use different churches in Montreuil (at least 2 out of about 6 there), it may take me some time!

Thanks manukarik for the other information you found about the marriage of Francois and Anne.
Can you provide a source please?
I can make out some names, but it would be really helpful to have a translation of it. There are quite a lot of abbreviations I don't know, and my French is not up to some of it at all!

The site of occupations in the link you posted manukarik gives several entries for different 'peintres'.
A straight 'peintre' evidently painted the religious images and statues. I like that one!
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Re: Another French baptism
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 14 November 21 22:34 GMT (UK) »
So I've had a quick look at the 'Notes of contract of marriage' kindly found by manukarik, and not doing too badly. It is much clearer writing the the parish registers!
I've made a stab at  the abbreviations for first name s- eg Pierre for 'Pre; Marie for Mie; Catherine for Cathne; Jeanne for Jne (female), etc
I'm guessing 'fe' is femme, and 'vue' is veuve (widow).

I'm stumped with the first abbreviation though - after 'Mariage de F(ranc)ois Duvivier' is 'Md'. Any clues?
The other bit that has me stumped is in the 7th line.
'Nicquet, pietre, cure de St Valloy, ?   ?    ?, de N(ichol)as? Deroller son beau'.
This same phrase appears again in the 10th line.

Any help gratefully received
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
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Re: Another French baptism
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 14 November 21 23:24 GMT (UK) »
Your interpretation of the abbreviations looks fine to me.  Sorry, no idea what Md could be but it's late so, if noone else has any ideas, I may get some inspiration tomorrow. 
Line 7: Nicquet, prêtre, curé de St Valloy, "cousin remué de germain" - term which seems to vary in  meaning according to different regions.  It can mean second cousin or a generation below as far as I can see, but someone else may know better.
BDF Twigg, Ellingham, Gates
BKM Bilbey, Collins, Brandon, Norwood, Smith
HAM Holloway (Romsey area)
HRT Brooks (Tring area)
LDN Saunders, Beedle
MDX Saunders
MLN Maitland, Robertson, McGlashan(all Edinburgh)
OXF Morby, Cross, Gardner (all Banbury area)
SAL Jones, Mathews, Higginson, Davies, Gobourn, Blount
WAR Pritchard (Birmingham)
WRY Dickinson, Atkinson, Mellon, Pritchard, Ashforth, Helliwell, Hague, Dungworth (all Sheffield area)

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Re: Another French baptism
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 14 November 21 23:58 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, no idea what Md could be but it's late so, if noone else has any ideas, I may get some inspiration tomorrow.

m(archan)d perhaps?

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Re: Another French baptism
« Reply #8 on: Monday 15 November 21 04:02 GMT (UK) »
Thanks jayaygee
No wonder I had no idea about what that phrase was!

Thanks Bookbox for your input.
It's a possibility.
On the baptism of three children I've found, just a few years after this marriage, he is given as a 'peintre' - a painter.
This is borne out on the transcribed index jayaygee found of the bmds of Montreuil, as they have also transcribed it is 'peintre'.

Not to say he couldn't have changed occupations of course at some point.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs