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Offline goldie61

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Re: Another French baptism
« Reply #9 on: Monday 15 November 21 05:52 GMT (UK) »
This is the actual marriage entry in the notre dame register.
The  'marriage contract' notes were very useful in deciphering lots of the names!

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to give his occupation.

duvivier et daire

Le seiziesme Juillet mil six cent cinquante sept apres la procamation des
bans et solernments requisites francois duvivier de la pariosse de notre dame
monstreuil  y a prise a femme Anne daire de la pariosse de ?
et p ?   de   ?     de       ?               Mre René nicquet
curé de St valloy  de  pierre vivier et marie du bucquet pere et mere
?   du vivier, de hughes du vivier et francoise prevost les oncles, de
Nicolae de rollet ?   a la cal   ?   beau pere a lad(it) daire, c(ousin) de nicolae
sanlecq son oncle au    ?    a la ca   st de plusiers autre
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Another French baptism
« Reply #10 on: Monday 15 November 21 10:01 GMT (UK) »
m(archan)d perhaps?
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(Hope I've done the quote right) Added: No sorry it doesn't mention the author

Yes, I agree.  "Marchand" came to my mind overnight.

Marriage contracts were drawn up by a notary and usually give a lot more information than the corresponding register entry but not everyone made one and then the have to have survived...and be legible.
BDF Twigg, Ellingham, Gates
BKM Bilbey, Collins, Brandon, Norwood, Smith
HAM Holloway (Romsey area)
HRT Brooks (Tring area)
LDN Saunders, Beedle
MDX Saunders
MLN Maitland, Robertson, McGlashan(all Edinburgh)
OXF Morby, Cross, Gardner (all Banbury area)
SAL Jones, Mathews, Higginson, Davies, Gobourn, Blount
WAR Pritchard (Birmingham)
WRY Dickinson, Atkinson, Mellon, Pritchard, Ashforth, Helliwell, Hague, Dungworth (all Sheffield area)

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Clarkson, Tolladay, Prevost, Killick, Hicks


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Re: Another French baptism
« Reply #12 on: Monday 15 November 21 16:46 GMT (UK) »
Going back to the baptism entry :

line 3 : ...Anne daire de la paroisse de caleterie....

line 4 : en p(rese)nce de m(essi)re p beizé (??) curé de reverende personne m(essi)re René ... (not at all sure about the words in italics or the first priest's name)

line 6 : audit du vivier

line 7 : nicolas de rolletz dmt (= demeurant) a la caloterie...et de nicolas

line 8 : ....son oncle aussy d(e)m(euran)t a la caloterie et....

A tree online at Généanet gives Anne's birth - but it may in fact be baptism - as being on 19 juin 1640 at La Calot(t)erie.

BDF Twigg, Ellingham, Gates
BKM Bilbey, Collins, Brandon, Norwood, Smith
HAM Holloway (Romsey area)
HRT Brooks (Tring area)
LDN Saunders, Beedle
MDX Saunders
MLN Maitland, Robertson, McGlashan(all Edinburgh)
OXF Morby, Cross, Gardner (all Banbury area)
SAL Jones, Mathews, Higginson, Davies, Gobourn, Blount
WAR Pritchard (Birmingham)
WRY Dickinson, Atkinson, Mellon, Pritchard, Ashforth, Helliwell, Hague, Dungworth (all Sheffield area)

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Re: Another French baptism
« Reply #13 on: Monday 15 November 21 18:11 GMT (UK) »
Had a look through the Parish Register for La Calotterie for 1640 - couldn't see Anne Daire's baptism there. Will have a look again later…
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Re: Another French baptism
« Reply #14 on: Monday 15 November 21 18:57 GMT (UK) »
Found the 1640 baptism for Anne D'Ayre!

http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/v2/ark:/64297/d07bac0368491fd0e351e9c69c6931f2

Page 5, 3rd entry on right.

Hope it's the right Anne Daire as there's also reference on geneanet to an Anne Daire born in 1620

Looks like the date is 19 June 1640 and parents Charles (?) Dayre and Jeanne Senlecque (?).

Perhaps someone else has better eyes than me…
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Re: Another French baptism
« Reply #15 on: Monday 15 November 21 20:08 GMT (UK) »
@manukarik: your eyes are ok ;D
Le dix-neuvieme jour de juin an 1640
baptisee Anna D'ayre fille de Charles Dayre
et de Jeanne Senlecques sa femme le parin
Jacques du Pieron ...
... en la citadelle de Monstroeil,
la maraine Anne du Crocq

Since 'her' wedding was in 1657, a 1640 birth seems unlikely. Anne would have been a minor and this undoubtedly would have been mentioned in her marriage certificate. Or she wasn't baptized at birth, but years later...

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Re: Another French baptism
« Reply #16 on: Monday 15 November 21 21:15 GMT (UK) »
Jayaygee. Thanks for completing the 1657 marriage, and confirming Md would mean Marchand.
Thanks Bookbox for suggesting that too.

manukarik. Thanks for the link to the Notaries notes about the marriage which is on geneanet.
Also for the baptism of Anne Daire in 1640. This indeed must be her, as the Notaries notes in reply #2 of this post give her father as Charles and her mother as Jeanne Senlecque.

And Zefiro. Thanks for looking at the baptism and transcribing it. It's certainly getting more and more difficult to see the entries in the very old registers.

What kind, talented people you all are!  :)

Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Another French baptism
« Reply #17 on: Monday 15 November 21 21:57 GMT (UK) »
This tree on geneanet:

https://gw.geneanet.org/matelo?n=duvivier&oc=3&p=francois

has these notes:

Notes individuelles
cm du 13/6//1657 Relevés Roger RODIERE Notaire BOCQUILLON
François Duvivier marchand fils de Pierre et Marie Bucquoy (suivant Rodiere mais les actes de bapteme indique Berquen) assisté de Jacques Duvivier cuisinier, de François Dupuis '(suivant Rodiere mais les actes de bapteme indique Dupin) et Anne Duvivier sa femme, de Laurent Bocquillon maréchal et Catherine Duvivier sa femme icelles soeurs, de Hugues Duvivier sergent à verges, de François Prevost et Martine Dubucquoy (suivant Rodiere mais les actes de bapteme indique Berquen Martine et François Pruvost) sa femme maitre cordonnier sa tante, de Jean Duvivier son oncle défunt et Jeanne Barre (il s'agit de Lebacre) sa veuve
et Anne Daire fille de Charles et Jeanne Senlecque, assistée de René Nicquet pretre curé de St Vallois cousin remué de germain, de Nicolas Derollet son beau père, de Michelle Fournier vve de Philippe de Senlecque sa mere grand, de Pierre et Nicolas Senlecque ses oncles, de Charles Nicquet hotelain cousin remué de germain.

which confirms the idea of François Duvivier as a marchand or merchant and shows some of the differences in names between various sources.

If you click on different people in the tree you should be able to get an idea of possible ancestors going further back and where to look…
Clarkson, Tolladay, Prevost, Killick, Hicks