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looking for 'Alexander McDonald' Scottish immigrant to Melbourne 1850s
« on: Sunday 14 November 21 14:53 GMT (UK) »
Looking for information on one Alexander McDonald, father of my great-great grandmother, Mary Russell McCaull (nee McDonald) born Scotland, 1840 (Kilmarnock, Ayrshire). buried Aug 1918 Karori Cemetary, Wellington, New Zealand
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/191436983

Alexander is mentioned on Mary's marriage certificate as occupation "calico printer" living in Arden Street, North Melbourne at the time of marriage (21.2.1859), Church of Scotland in North Melbourne. Mother's name is given as "Ann" on the certificate. Mary's occupation is given as dress-maker on cert. She later immigrated to New Zealand with her husband Henry Michael McCaull (1827-94), he was an architect and they mostly lived in Wellington, with a short time in Otago.

It is possible that the McDonalds originally came from Scotland via Liverpool (assisted passage) to Melbourne on the ship "Allison" from Liverpool arriving 8.2.1853, however I am uncertain of the handwriting which seems to indicate they came from Inverness, when all research suggests the family were from Ayrshire (according to the 1841 census) and the 1840 birth cert for Mary which lists her father's ocupation also as a Calico printer. She had two brothers according to the 1841 census Hugh (b Abt 1830) & Donald (b Abt 1832) . It's unclear if they also immigrated.

All trace of Alexander seems to vanish after the wedding, although his birth is recorded as in St Quivox, Ayrshire in the year 1800 and marriage to Ann McLean (b. 1807, Kilmarnock) in 1835 in St Quivox, Ayrshire also (Ann also appears to have gone by the names 'Agnes' and 'Mary Ann'). I do not know if he and his wife stayed in Victoria working as a Calico printer or if he moved to New Zealand with his daughter and husband. I have no idea where to look for death records as the name is so generic, or if he died in NZ or Australia.

Can somebody please point me in the right direction?

many thanks

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Re: looking for 'Alexander McDonald' Scottish immigrant to Melbourne 1850s
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 November 21 16:36 GMT (UK) »




https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
MARY MCDONALD   Parents    ALEXANDER MCDONALD/ANN MCLEAN - CHILD 4    05/09/1840   Kilmarnock

1841 St Marnock Street, Kilmarnock on freecen, not there 1851
MCDONALD   Alexander   40   Calico Printer Journeyman   OUC   
MCDONALD   Agnes   35      OUC   
MCDONALD   Hugh   11      OUC   
MCDONALD   Donald   9      OUC   
MCDONALD   Mary           2      AYR   
CURRIE   Neil   25   Black Smith   OUC   

Only Mary born in Ayrshire.

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Re: looking for 'Alexander McDonald' Scottish immigrant to Melbourne 1850s
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 November 21 16:56 GMT (UK) »
I do not see the marriage you mention in St Quivox but I did find below.

ALEXANDER MCDONALD   Married    AGNES MCLEAN   9 NOVEMBER 1835   KILMARNOCK REFORMED PRESBYTERIAN

ALEXANDER MCDONALD   To    AGNES MCLEAN   15/09/1835   Banns maybe   Kilmarnock

As mentioned neither were born in Ayrshire according to the 1841 census?

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Re: looking for 'Alexander McDonald' Scottish immigrant to Melbourne 1850s
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 14 November 21 18:03 GMT (UK) »
I do not see the family in Scotland or England in 1851, is it possible they left Scotland earlier than 1853?

If Hugh & Donald did not leave with Alexander there are a couple of possibilities below on family search.

Hugh 1851?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGRC-MHJ

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6T-9G1

Donald 1851?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG62-QRP

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGLQ-9DW


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Re: looking for 'Alexander McDonald' Scottish immigrant to Melbourne 1850s
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 14 November 21 20:07 GMT (UK) »


Can you lease list all the information on the marriage certificate.

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Re: looking for 'Alexander McDonald' Scottish immigrant to Melbourne 1850s
« Reply #5 on: Monday 15 November 21 01:15 GMT (UK) »
INFORMATION ON MARY MCDONALD'S MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE

transcript of marriage from findmypast.co.uk:
First name(s) Mary
Country Australia
Last name McDonald
Record set Victoria Marriages 1836-1942
Sex Female
Registration number 765
Marriage year 1859
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Spouse's first name(s) Henry Michael
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Spouse's last name McCaull
Collections from Australasia, Australia
State Victoria

Further info from certificate (all handwritten):
date of marriage 21 Feb 1859
Henry Michael McCaull, 30, Geelong, architect
witnesses: Michael McCaull, School master; Mary Ann McCaull
Mary McDonald, 19, Arden St North Melbourne, dressmaker
witnesses: Alexander McDonald, Calico Printer (father); Ann McDonald (mother)
the marriage was solemnised as according to the James?{handwriting} of the Church of Scotland
in the presence of Alexander McDonald and Rev G Reed? {handwriting}
by James Sergeant? {handwriting} Officiating Minister   

I could attach the original, but I believe that is against the rules

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Re: looking for 'Alexander McDonald' Scottish immigrant to Melbourne 1850s
« Reply #6 on: Monday 15 November 21 02:04 GMT (UK) »
IN RESPONSE TO ColC (Colin)

Thanks Colin for all your research. I was going on info from findmypast.co.uk; ancestry.com & scotlandspeople.gov.uk, but was getting late at night and was getting a bit sleepy so may have missed some exact details.

In your first message, what does OUC mean?

This is the birth data I have for Alexander McDonald from Scotlandspeople:
MCDONALD
ALEXANDER
ROBERT MCDONALD/JANET HARRIS FR153 (FR153)
M
20/04/1801
612/1
10 133
St Quivox

The following is from findmypast for Ann (Agnes) McLean (birth name Mary Ann) - can't seem to find it on scotlandspeople though

Mary Anne McLean
Scotland, Parish Births & Baptisms 1564-1929
Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland
Transcript of Mary Anne's record
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First name(s) Mary Anne
Father's last name McLean
Last name McLean
Father Occupation Weaver
Birth year 1807
Page 120
Birth date 16 May 1807
Archive Ref OPR 597/4
Baptism year -
Year Range 1820-1854
Place Kilmarnock
Item 4
County Ayrshire
Record set Scotland, Parish Births & Baptisms 1564-1929
Country Scotland
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's first name(s) Jean
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Mother's last name Smith
Collections from Great Britain, Scotland
Father's first name(s) David
 
Here's the marriage from scotlandspeople:
MCDONALD
ALEXANDER
AGNES MCLEAN/FR2642 (FR2642)
15/09/1835
597/
110 163
Kilmarnock

the same marriage from findmaypast:
Alexander McDonald
Scotland, Parish Marriages & Banns 1561-1893
Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland
Transcript of Alexander's record
Year Range 1721-1819
Page 162
Record set Scotland, Parish Marriages & Banns 1561-1893
Banns Date 15 Sep 1835
First name(s) Alexander
Year Of Banns 1835
Last name McDonald
Spouse Residence Douglas Street
Marriage year -
Witness -
Spouse's first name Agnes
Item 1
Spouse's last name McLean
Archive Ref OPR 597/11
Residence Low Glencairn
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
County Ayrshire
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Country Scotland
Collections from Great Britain, Scotland
Place Kilmarnock


This is the info from findmypast for the 1841 census:
Alexander McDonald in 1841
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
St Marnock, Kilmarnock (Ayr), Ayrshire, Scotland
Household members (6 people)

First name(s)   Last name   Sex   Age   Birth year   Birth place
Alexander   McDonald   Male   40   1801   Scotland
Agnes   McDonald   Female   35   1806   Scotland
Hugh   McDonald   Male   11   1830   Scotland
Donald   McDonald   Male   9   1832   Scotland
Mary   McDonald   Female   2   1839   Ayrshire, Scotland
Neal   Currie   Male   25   1816   Scotland

the following is on findmypast for the 1851 census (obviously some of the info is wrong, ie. Alex born in Ireland & Mary's real age, which would have been 11):

Alex McDonald in 1851
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
23, West Shaw Street, Kilmarnock (Ayr), Cunningham, Ayrshire, Scotland
Household members (10 people)

First name(s)   Last name   Relationship   Marital status   Sex   Age   Birth year   Occupation   Birth place
Alex   McDonald   Head   Married   Male   49   1802   Steamer   Ireland
Ann   McDonald   Wife   Married   Female   48   1803   -   Argyllshire, Scotland
Hugh   McDonald   Son   Unmarried   Male   20   1831   Calico printer   Argyllshire, Scotland
Mary   McDonald   Daughter   Married   Female   22   1829   Tailor jour   Argyllshire, Scotland
Donald   Thomson   Lodger   Unmarried   Male   27   1824   Calico printer   Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland
William   Johnston   Lodger   Unmarried   Male   25   1826   Calico printer   Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland
Alex   McMillan   Visitor   Widower   Male   43   1808   Calico printer   Ayr, Ayrshire, Scotland
Elizabeth   McMillan   Visitor   Unmarried   Female   14   1837   -   Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland
Alexander   McMillan   Visitor   -   Male   10   1841   -   Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland
John   McMillan   Visitor   -   Male   7   1844   -   Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland

It's under census returns on scotlandspeople as:
MCDONALD
ALEX
1851
M
49
597/ 21/ 20
Kilmarnock
Ayr

Hugh & Donald McDonald were born out of wedlock, so I think that's the reason why the births are not registered.

Also interesting to note that on Mary's birth registration, her father's occupation is given as Calico printer, as was given on her marriage certificate in North Melbourne for him. Also the 1851 census mentions Mary's occupation as "Tailor jour" and on her marriage cert it mentions her as a "dressmaker"

Now I am trying to find out what happened to Alexander and his wife Ann in Australia or New Zealand after the marriage in 1859!

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Re: looking for 'Alexander McDonald' Scottish immigrant to Melbourne 1850s
« Reply #7 on: Monday 15 November 21 03:09 GMT (UK) »
The way you have pasted the marriage certificate into the reply box makes it difficult to read.
It is preferable that you take a little time to type details in a readable format.

What is the age of the bride?
Who were the witnesses please?


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Re: looking for 'Alexander McDonald' Scottish immigrant to Melbourne 1850s
« Reply #8 on: Monday 15 November 21 05:27 GMT (UK) »
Where do you see the family name RUSSELL in Mary's ancestry?

Press 26 Aug 1918  p2
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19180826.2.6?

Obituary for Mary McDonald McCAULL, died Aug 1918.


BDM VIC birth
3182/1860   MCCAULL  Charles Nathanie   ps Mary MCDONALD /  Henry Michael  @ Geel


BDM NZ birth
1862/13892   McCAULL   Henry Michael           ps Mary Russell / Henry Michael
1865/17046   McCAULL   Kenneth Cameron   ps Mary            / Henry Michael
1867/27878   McCAULL   Mary Catherine           ps Mary Russell / Henry Michael
1871/37186   McCAULL   Emily Sophia           ps Mary Russell / Henry Michael
1874/43239   McCAULL   Evan Alexander           ps Mary Russell / Henry Michael
1877/4103   McCAULL   Florence                   ps Mary Russell / Henry Michael
1881/16892   McCAULL   Frederick Woods   ps Mary Russell / Henry Michael
1883/2829   McCAULL   Edith                           ps Mary Russell / Henry Michael

BDM NZ death
1918/17363   McCAULL   Mary Russell   79Y

Can you list all the information on this 1918 death certificate.

I do not see a Will for Henry Michael McCAULL or for wife Mary.