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Help with information re photos: Yates, Lakin
« on: Monday 15 November 21 05:59 GMT (UK) »
Folks,
I am puzzling over a photograph (several, but they’re for later!).

Photo 1 is of a young couple, taken in Leicester. This is from a family source and the handwritten name on the photograph was William Yates. This was written by an elderly member of his bride’s family (Charlotte’s family) here in Australia in more recent years. I have some cause to question the name..
William Yates (b1851) married Charlotte Lakin (b1856) in Leicester on August 14 1875.  At the time of their marriage, William was 24 and Charlotte 19 years of age. Twelve days later they sailed to Australia.
My question here is “IS this William and Charlotte?” Does the nature of the photograph or their stance and clothing suggest anything about them?  Neither is wearing a wedding ring. Does anyone know the years in which this photographer operated? What is the estimate of the age of each of these two?
It IS conceivable that these two are brother and sister? Do they look related? Do their nose shapes look similar? William did have sisters who remained in Leicester (Mary Anne (b1849), Caroline (b1854) and Emma Jane (b1859). 
Photo 2 and Photo 3 are definitely Charlotte Yates (nee Lakin) taken many years later in Melbourne, Australia. The ear lobes in these two photographs do not appear to be the same as in Photo 1.  This has led me to doubt that Photo 1 IS actually William and Charlotte.
It IS still possible there are much later photographs of one of William’s brothers and nephews in family records. William and Charlotte did not have any children. There are no later, definite photographs of William (who died in1898).
I would appreciate hearing any suggestions folks may have that might help in my quest in identifying the couple in Photo 1. 

Thanks Folks.
Yates (Tamworth, Staffs), Yates (Leicester), Probert (London, Westminster, Bath), Argles, Robinson (London, Westminster), Jessop (Westmeath)

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Re: Help with information re photos: Yates, Lakin
« Reply #1 on: Monday 15 November 21 10:47 GMT (UK) »
Afraid I haven't read all of it, too much info in one go.
Pic. 1 mid-late 1890's.
Pic. 2 mid-late Edwardian.
Pic. 3 1920's poss. 30's.
Pic. 1 is a typical pose of a couple not yet married.
She has her left hand behind her indicating single.
There is a respectable distance between them with him
seated & her standing behind.
If they were siblings I would expect to see something a 
bit more personal.
So you need to look for a couple who married around 1895-1900.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
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Re: Help with information re photos: Yates, Lakin
« Reply #2 on: Monday 15 November 21 11:50 GMT (UK) »
Picture 1.   Their right ears are identical ( in my view) which suggests brother and sister,  cheers, Ian

their noses too, now that I look closer
Norfolk, Nelsons of Gt Ryburgh, Gooch, Howman, COLLISONS,  Ainger, Couzens, Batrick (Norfolk & Dorset), Tubby ( also of Yorkshire) Cathcarts of Ireland, Lancashire & Isle of Wight) Dickinsons of Morecambe and Lancaster, Wilson of Poulton-le-Sands and Broughton.  Wilson - Ffrance of Rawcliffe,  Mitchells of Isle of Wight. Hair of Ayrshire, Williamson of Tradeston, Glasgow. Nelsons in Australia with Haywards Heath connections.

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Re: Help with information re photos: Yates, Lakin
« Reply #3 on: Monday 15 November 21 11:52 GMT (UK) »
http://www.earlyphotographers.org.uk/ I've found this site helpful with old photos.
Far too many surnames to read through!
Main lines are:-
Johnson in Derbyshire, Lincolnshire, Norfolk and Cumberland.
Leachman in Derbyshire, Lincolnshire and Nottinghamshire.
Crickmore in Yorkshire, Norfolk and Ireland.
Shearer in Yorkshire and Nottinghamshire


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Re: Help with information re photos: Yates, Lakin
« Reply #4 on: Monday 15 November 21 23:30 GMT (UK) »
I defer to Jim1's expertise at dating to narrow the period, but it is supported by references to Heawood photography at King Richard's road

Not found in 1889/1890 Directory (http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p15407coll9/id/10490/rec/15)

Earliest reference I found was 1891
(http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p15407coll9/id/20702/rec/2)

Still advertising in 1899 at that address
(http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p15407coll9/id/8375/rec/7)
and 1903
(http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p15407coll9/id/15746/rec/9)

but had moved address by 1906
(http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/collection/p15407coll9/id/12342/rec/8)

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Re: Help with information re photos: Yates, Lakin
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 16 November 21 04:16 GMT (UK) »
Afraid I haven't read all of it, too much info in one go.
Pic. 1 mid-late 1890's.
Pic. 2 mid-late Edwardian.
Pic. 3 1920's poss. 30's.
Pic. 1 is a typical pose of a couple not yet married.
She has her left hand behind her indicating single.
There is a respectable distance between them with him
seated & her standing behind.
If they were siblings I would expect to see something a 
bit more personal.
So you need to look for a couple who married around 1895-1900.

Thanks Jim,
that's VERY helpful, especially with reference to the first photo. It's expertise like this I appreciate!
David
Yates (Tamworth, Staffs), Yates (Leicester), Probert (London, Westminster, Bath), Argles, Robinson (London, Westminster), Jessop (Westmeath)

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Re: Help with information re photos: Yates, Lakin
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 16 November 21 04:19 GMT (UK) »
I defer to Jim1's expertise at dating to narrow the period, but it is supported by references to Heawood photography at King Richard's road

GREAT.  I appreciate this as it WILL help me look for a marriage in a family still in the UK at that time.  Unfortunately, that's unlikely to be folks closely related to my present quest - but useful all the same.
Thank you.
David
Yates (Tamworth, Staffs), Yates (Leicester), Probert (London, Westminster, Bath), Argles, Robinson (London, Westminster), Jessop (Westmeath)