Help I have hit a wall!

[hanes teulu]

Just checking marriage
Thomas Russell, Jun Qtr 1846, Tamworth, vol 16 page 625 - on same page Frances Howell. Maria Russell born Sep Qtr 1856, Walsall - mother's maiden name Howell - on '61 Census. There's a Hannah Howell, mother**, widow, age 69, born Norton on the '51 Census.

How do you know Thomas' father's name is John? What's the source. Do you have the marriage cert - or is it from a tree you have checked out?

** this should probably be mother in law?

[ShaunJ]

Is his wife called Elizabeth?

Yes

[dawnyj]

Just checking marriage
Thomas Russell, Jun Qtr 1846, Tamworth, vol 16 page 625 - on same page Frances Howell. Maria Russell born Sep Qtr 1856, Walsall - mother's maiden name Howell - on '61 Census. There's a Hannah Howell, mother**, widow, age 69, born Norton on the '51 Census.

How do you know Thomas' father's name is John? What's the source. Do you have the marriage cert - or is it from a tree you have checked out?

** this should probably be mother in law?


Hannah Howell is his Wife Francis Mother.

I know father is John and nailer from marriage cert

thanks for the interest!

[Pheno]

There is an 1825 baptism in Bilston of a Thomas Russell to Robert & Rachael Russell.

Maybe a possibility if you have no documentary evidence of his father being John.

Pheno

[dawnyj]

Is his wife called Elizabeth?

Yes

Im just looking at them but I cant yet see a birth for a Thomas or find them after 1851 but will continue to look. thankyou

[dawnyj]

There is an 1825 baptism in Bilston of a Thomas Russell to Robert & Rachael Russell.

Maybe a possibility if you have no documentary evidence of his father being John.

Pheno

thankyou for looking. I do have evidence of John.  Thomas states his father as being called John and a nailer at his wedding to francis

[Ayashi]

1841 for John and Elizabeth RUSSELL

Name:   John Russell
Age:   40
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1801
Gender:   Male
Civil Parish:   Dudley
Hundred:   Halfshire (Lower Division)
County/Island:   Worcestershire
Country:   England
Street Address:
Occupation:   
.
Registration District:   Dudley
Sub-registration District:   Dudley
Neighbors:   View others on page
Piece:   1196
Book:   5
Folio:   15
Page Number:   23
Household Members:   
Name   Age
John Russell   40
Elizabeth Russell   40
Susannah Russell   16
Sarah Russell   13
Joseph Russell   11
Maria Russell   6
Mary Ann Russell   3

Still no Thomas

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Possible Thomas
Name:   Thomas Russel
Age:   15
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1826
Gender:   Male
Where Born:   Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish:   Dudley
Hundred:   Halfshire (Lower Division)
County/Island:   Worcestershire
Country:   England
Street Address:
Occupation:   
.
Registration District:   Dudley
Sub-registration District:   Dudley
Neighbors:   View others on page
Piece:   1196
Book:   10
Folio:   54
Page Number:   23
He is an apprentice in the household of Christopher DAVIES, who is a whitesmith.

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Elizabeth's maiden name may have been HENDY (provided John Jr's age is slightly out in 1851...) but as yet I haven't found any possible marriage.

Per GRO
[Other census children born too early]
Mary Ann RUSSELL - 1839 - Dudley RD - mmn HENDY
John RUSSELL- 1 qr 1844 - Dudley RD - mmn HANDEY

Other RUSSELL / HENDY children in Dudley
William RUSSELL - 1840 - Dudley RD - mmn HENDY - possible death 1840 aged 0
Elizabeth RUSSELL - 1841 - Dudley RD - mmn HENDY - possible death 1842 aged 0 among others
Ann RUSSELL - 1842 - Dudley RD - mmn HENDY - possible death 1841 aged 0
William RUSSELL - 1847 - Dudley RD - mmn HENDY - no idea about this one

[dawnyj]

1841 for John and Elizabeth RUSSELL

Name:   John Russell
Age:   40
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1801
Gender:   Male
Civil Parish:   Dudley
Hundred:   Halfshire (Lower Division)
County/Island:   Worcestershire
Country:   England
Street Address:
Occupation:   
.
Registration District:   Dudley
Sub-registration District:   Dudley
Neighbors:   View others on page
Piece:   1196
Book:   5
Folio:   15
Page Number:   23
Household Members:   
Name   Age
John Russell   40
Elizabeth Russell   40
Susannah Russell   16
Sarah Russell   13
Joseph Russell   11
Maria Russell   6
Mary Ann Russell   3

Still no Thomas

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Possible Thomas
Name:   Thomas Russel
Age:   15
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1826
Gender:   Male
Where Born:   Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish:   Dudley
Hundred:   Halfshire (Lower Division)
County/Island:   Worcestershire
Country:   England
Street Address:
Occupation:   
.
Registration District:   Dudley
Sub-registration District:   Dudley
Neighbors:   View others on page
Piece:   1196
Book:   10
Folio:   54
Page Number:   23
He is an apprentice in the household of Christopher DAVIES, who is a whitesmith.

~

Elizabeth's maiden name may have been HENDY (provided John Jr's age is slightly out in 1851...) but as yet I haven't found any possible marriage.

Per GRO
[Other census children born too early]
Mary Ann RUSSELL - 1839 - Dudley RD - mmn HENDY
John RUSSELL- 1 qr 1844 - Dudley RD - mmn HANDEY

Other RUSSELL / HENDY children in Dudley
William RUSSELL - 1840 - Dudley RD - mmn HENDY - possible death 1840 aged 0
Elizabeth RUSSELL - 1841 - Dudley RD - mmn HENDY - possible death 1842 aged 0 among others
Ann RUSSELL - 1842 - Dudley RD - mmn HENDY - possible death 1841 aged 0
William RUSSELL - 1847 - Dudley RD - mmn HENDY - no idea about this one

did you find a birth for Thomas??  That all looks interesting, especially as the parents originate from Pelsall. When I looked for this family I couldnt find the parents on a census after 1851, I may look to see if they emigrated to Canada as some of Thomas' children did later on.  It may be that Thomas was left behind as he was married?? All guesswork but possible?  I  will try again and do some digging when I finish work later. many thanks for your help.

[rosie99]

thankyou for looking. I do have evidence of John.  Thomas states his father as being called John and a nailer at his wedding to francis

Don't forget that Thomas would not have had to give any proof that this information about his father was the truth.  He may not have known his fathers name or occupation