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baptism records John Charles Rowan 1888
« on: Wednesday 17 November 21 09:28 GMT (UK) »
Any help please on further information on Joannes Carlus Rowan baptised in 1888 at St Anne's Ancoats Manchester  mother Helenae.I am interested if there is a father named,godparents and if an address is shown.From the 1939 records John's birthdate was 5th November 1888.
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Re: baptism records John Charles Rowan 1888
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 17 November 21 09:59 GMT (UK) »
Do you not have him in the intervening years?
Is there a father named on his marriage certificate?
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Re: baptism records John Charles Rowan 1888
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 17 November 21 10:07 GMT (UK) »
I can't see a birth registration in England and Wales in December quarter 1886 - December quarter 1889 for a person of that name.
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Re: baptism records John Charles Rowan 1888
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 17 November 21 17:43 GMT (UK) »
For ref was John Rowan listed in 1901 as b 1889 Manchester and visiting his aunt Catherine and family in Shifnal Shropshire  :-\  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSQW-GWM and 1911

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Re: baptism records John Charles Rowan 1888
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 17 November 21 18:21 GMT (UK) »
Any help please on further information on Joannes Carlus Rowan baptised in 1888 at St Anne's Ancoats Manchester  mother Helenae.I am interested if there is a father named,godparents and if an address is shown.

What's your source for that information?
Baptism registers St. Anne, Ancoats at Lancashire Archives. Ancoats is under Manchester in the Catholic section of "Church Registers Guide" to holdings in the Archives.
https://www.lancashire.gov.uk/media/67383/M.pdf
 
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Re: baptism records John Charles Rowan 1888
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 17 November 21 18:33 GMT (UK) »
Thanks everyone for replying.I think that John may have been the illigimate son of Helen[ellen].Helen I think was Catherine Burgoyne sister and if my facts are right she was born29/11/1873  in Shropshire daughter of James and Mary Rowan[nee Callaghan] census show the parents came from County Mayo.I can't find John or Ellen on the 1891 but 1901 and 1911 he is with the Burgoynes  but at the moment not found Ellen.I was just hoping the actual baptism may reveal more info.
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Re: baptism records John Charles Rowan 1888
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 17 November 21 18:38 GMT (UK) »
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I just googled Manchester Roman Catholic Record and I think it was under Manchester family history society
Thanks for your interest

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Re: baptism records John Charles Rowan 1888
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 17 November 21 18:42 GMT (UK) »
   daughter of James and Mary Rowan[nee Callaghan] census show the parents came from County Mayo.I can't find John or Ellen on the 1891 but 1901 and 1911 he is with the Burgoynes  but at the moment not found Ellen.I was just hoping the actual baptism may reveal more info.

Have you tried possible variants on the surname such as Ruane or Ryan?
Was the information you gave about the baptism from a transcript?
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Re: baptism records John Charles Rowan 1888
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 17 November 21 18:45 GMT (UK) »
But Dotty, where did you obtain the information that you have quoted for his baptism please?

As BumbleB says - there does not seem to be a birth registration for anyone of that name.

Also - the parish registers for St Anne's RC Church are definitely held at Lancashire Archives. I have just checked. Maybe Manchester Family History Society also have some - I don't know about that.

See: https://archivecat.lancashire.gov.uk/calmview/advanced.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog

and just check the RC parishes list.
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