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Re: How are the deaths of people whose names are unknown recorded?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 29 November 21 19:36 GMT (UK) »
Scotlands people has a few records for deaths of Kenneth McLeod in marine returns 1918
Gunning County Down,Kneale Isle of Man,Riddle Tynemouth,Bibby Kendal/Bradford,Colenso Penzance/Barrow-in-Furness,Steele Corney Fell,Chapman Ely,Dawes Alfreton,Blamire Westmoreland and Ulverston
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Re: How are the deaths of people whose names are unknown recorded?
« Reply #10 on: Monday 29 November 21 19:52 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, Radcliff, that's a good shout and I did mention Kenneth McLeod when I posted in the Great War Forum, but it was pointed out the Commonwealth War Graves Commission has his "ship" being H.M.S. President III, and President III "was an accounting base, initially in Bristol and then Windsor; the administrative HQ for the personnel on Defensively Armed Merchant Ships."
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/667906/kenneth-mcleod/

President III is what's on his gravestone.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/59959284/kenneth-mcleod

Where did you find SS Braglass?

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Re: How are the deaths of people whose names are unknown recorded?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 29 November 21 19:53 GMT (UK) »
so he wasn't unknown was he according to his inquest
Gunning County Down,Kneale Isle of Man,Riddle Tynemouth,Bibby Kendal/Bradford,Colenso Penzance/Barrow-in-Furness,Steele Corney Fell,Chapman Ely,Dawes Alfreton,Blamire Westmoreland and Ulverston
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Re: How are the deaths of people whose names are unknown recorded?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 29 November 21 19:55 GMT (UK) »
inquest Number 8 ,
17th August 1918
DDHD/CR/23.50
Lancashire archives
Gunning County Down,Kneale Isle of Man,Riddle Tynemouth,Bibby Kendal/Bradford,Colenso Penzance/Barrow-in-Furness,Steele Corney Fell,Chapman Ely,Dawes Alfreton,Blamire Westmoreland and Ulverston
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Re: How are the deaths of people whose names are unknown recorded?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 29 November 21 20:08 GMT (UK) »
perhaps he was on the the ship that was in collision with the SS Braglass
Gunning County Down,Kneale Isle of Man,Riddle Tynemouth,Bibby Kendal/Bradford,Colenso Penzance/Barrow-in-Furness,Steele Corney Fell,Chapman Ely,Dawes Alfreton,Blamire Westmoreland and Ulverston
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Re: How are the deaths of people whose names are unknown recorded?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 29 November 21 20:30 GMT (UK) »
Deleted my post. Info already posted on 2nd page....

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Re: How are the deaths of people whose names are unknown recorded?
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 30 November 21 09:42 GMT (UK) »
so he wasn't unknown was he according to his inquest

From The Morecambe Visitor, 21.8.1918 -

The inquiry was held on the body of "an unknown sailor."

"Inside his trousers was stamped the name "McLeod," in block letters.
....The Coroner: Would that be the name of the makers or the man's?
....Mr. Triggs [representing the Admiralty]: No, I don't think so, it is a name, but I don't know whether it is this man's name."

The body may well have been Kenneth McLeod, but as things stand there's no proof of it. Possibly a newspaper which covered the Isle of Lewis (where McLeod is buried) would have reported on the interment.


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Re: How are the deaths of people whose names are unknown recorded?
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 30 November 21 13:41 GMT (UK) »
Kenneth McLeod aged 42
born Stornaway
a Seaman in the Royal Naval reserve
SS Braglass sank in a collision
August 2nd 1918
I cannot find a vessel called BRAGLASS or anywhere near.
 The name of the ship may be BOSCASTLE Official number 132828 sunk by the German Submarine U111

https://uboat.net/wwi/ships_hit/875.html

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/3060267/kenneth-mcleod/

I don't know if this is any help to the OP. Strumble Head is near Fishguard. Could the body have drifted that far? Do we know when the body was found?
The distance between Fishguard and Heysham is approx 153 nautical miles. If the current carried the body at 1/2 a knot it would take approx 12/13 days.

Two things bother me. The Guy who was intered at Heysham? was described as being between 40 and 50. The person  I refer to, was 26 when he died.
Also he his commemorated at Tower Hill, which implies he has no grave but the sea.
Where do's SS BRAGLASS come from? could you check the source of your information, please, Radcliff.


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Re: How are the deaths of people whose names are unknown recorded?
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 30 November 21 15:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi
British armed forces and oversea deaths has
Kenneth McLeod age 40 from Stornway
Died at sea 2nd August 1918
Ship SS Braeglen, ship sunk, drowned.

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