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Anne Butler was she transported ?
« on: Saturday 20 November 21 20:57 GMT (UK) »
I have been looking into a friends family but am stuck on Anne. The first record I have on her is her marriage in Sydney Australia to John George Pickering in 1866 . I then have her in Wales on the 81 census and looking at the births of all their children they travelled alot as John was in the military.
On the census she puts born 1845 Dublin but I cannot find anything for her ,ancestry has given me a hint of a prison record for a Anne Butler in Dublin aged 14 and looking at others this Anne Butler was in prison a lot from the aged of 11 for begging :(

Could this be her and she was possibly transported ? I dont have access to  world wide records so any help would be really aappreciated

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Re: Anne Butler was she transported ?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 20 November 21 21:21 GMT (UK) »
given that her husband was in the Royal Artillery, it could be a military link

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2W9-X57Z
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Anne Butler was she transported ?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 20 November 21 21:28 GMT (UK) »

You need to see this marriage certificate. It will record age, address, birthplace for Annie. It will record parents name, father's occupation, names of witnesses.

NSW BDM    https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search?14

430/1866 PICKERING  John G  marr.  BUTLER  Annie   @  Sydney


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Re: Anne Butler was she transported ?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 20 November 21 21:43 GMT (UK) »
Your dates are too late for transportation, it had ended by then.

I can see an Ann BUTLER arriving as a domestic servant in 1865 aged 17 with two other BUTLER girls who were not sisters but were related as they share common relatives who were already living in Sydney.  This Ann named her parents as Michael and Mary and she was from 'Tullabrien' in Kilkenny.  I cannot determine what this placename is supposed to be.  She was Roman Catholic.

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Re: Anne Butler was she transported ?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 20 November 21 22:57 GMT (UK) »
According to the census data, Ann was born in Dublin about 1844. As has already been posted, she was not a convict. She may have been the daughter of someone in the military, as it was fairly common for a soldier to marry a soldier’s daughter. Maybe have a look for any military Butlers in Sydney?
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland)

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Re: Anne Butler was she transported ?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 20 November 21 23:22 GMT (UK) »

  This Ann named her parents as Michael and Mary and she was from 'Tullabrien' in Kilkenny.  I cannot determine what this placename is supposed to be.  She was Roman Catholic.


Maybe Tullowbrin townland, Rathcoole civil parish, Gowran barony, Kilkenny Poor Law Union, County Kilkenny.
https://www.swilson.info/placesrch.php
Linked R.C. parish St. John, Ossory diocese. Post town Kilkenny
https://www.swilson.info/rcparishlink.php
St. John, Kilkenny City registers at National Library of Ireland
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0991

Although the above was probably a different Ann Butler, as I see that Ann's birthplace was Dublin according to census.
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Re: Anne Butler was she transported ?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 21 November 21 06:59 GMT (UK) »
The military record of the marriage is on ancestry 19 May 1866, John George was a corporal, it does not list parents. The witnesses are Emma Taylor and R Pickering.

Perhaps if there is a civilian record it will have more detail.

Military entries for some of the children
Caroline Elizabeth born 14 February 1867 Sydney Australia F. Corporal
George Robert born 16 January 1869 Gibraltar. f. corporal
John Thomas born 26 July 1871 Gibraltar. f. sergeant
Anne Jane born 9 October 1873 Gibraltar. f Battery Sgt. Major
Elizabeth born 26 July 1875 Gravesend Kent. F. Battery Sgt. Major (civil registration at Orsett 1875)

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Re: Anne Butler was she transported ?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 21 November 21 08:01 GMT (UK) »
His parents are George and Caroline. So could her parents be Robert and Elizabeth? ref first 2 children.

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Re: Anne Butler was she transported ?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 21 November 21 08:22 GMT (UK) »
John George Pickering 18927 attested as John Brotherton and subsequently changed his name:

 https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fwo97%2f3653%2f105%2f002
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