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Power Family
« on: Wednesday 24 November 21 11:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi I am helping friend research his family tree and need some help PLEASE
Patrick Power born Co Kilkenny, Ireland married Hannah Walsh in 1904, and sometime after 1906 they emigrated to America, Hannah came back but Patrick stayed and was killed sometime before 1929 he was driving a horse and cart when the accident happened Can any help please JB   

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Re: Power Family
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 24 November 21 12:52 GMT (UK) »


When was Patrick Power and Hannah Walsh born ?  Did the couple have children ?

Have you found any entries for the couple on US census ?

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Re: Power Family
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 24 November 21 15:45 GMT (UK) »
An Irish marriage record with more than just "of full age" ! Will wonders never cease?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10218/5719740.pdf

Patt Power, 31, a laborer and bachelor of Robinstown, son of Thomas Power, a laborer
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Hannah Walsh, 17, a spinster of Jamestown, dau of Thomas Walsh a laborer

Married in the R.C. Chapel of Glenmore, Kilmackevoge RD, County Kilkenny on 18 Sept 1904.


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Re: Power Family
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 24 November 21 17:14 GMT (UK) »


When was Patrick Power and Hannah Walsh born ?  Did the couple have children ?

Have you found any entries for the couple on US census ?

Sandra
Tacking some more questions on here.

Could there be any record of their children in the US? Do you have their names, besides Thomas, b Nov 1904 in Ireland? Were any children born in the US? And do you know when Hannah returned and did she go back to Kilkenny?

Reasons for asking: Pat and Hannah have common names - the more names and dates we have, the better chance of making a solid ID in the US records.

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Couldn't find either of them on the Ellis Island and NY  Records, 1904 to 1929.
Any rumor of where they went in the US? They might have arrived at Boston, Phila, Baltimore, or come through Canada for that matter, so if you know where they ended up, it might help also.

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Re: Power Family
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 25 November 21 11:33 GMT (UK) »
 Hi Patrick power, born 18th Sep 1873, son of Thomas Power & Mary Walsh of Robinstown, Glenmore he married Hannah Walsh, born 1887, in Glenmore Co Kilkenny, Ireland 1904, daughter of Thomas Walsh & Maria Roche, Patrick & Hannah had 2 sons Thomas, 1906 & Kieran 1907 these two boys are living with their Grandmother Glenmore in the 1911 census. Patrick & Hannah cannot be found in the census here and my friend went to Ellis Island but could not find any information on Patrick or Hannah there. Hannah came back to Glenmore and in 1929 she remarried to Edward Keating saying she was a widow,  Thanks JB

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Re: Power Family
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 25 November 21 17:44 GMT (UK) »
Might Patrick and Hannah separated on unfriendly terms and might she have stayed in Ireland and been in service in 1911? Or does the family know for sure she went to America with Patrick?

Here is a possible match. The man's parents' names when he married match the ones you said.

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A tree at ancestry says that Patrick Power died in Rochester, no date and no source. I'll PM you with more regarding the owner and home person of the tree.

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Arriving in New York Aug 19, 1906, on the SS Etruria, NYC, from Queenstown
Patrick Power, 33, single, laborer, last residence: New Ross, destination: cousin Delia Malone, 228 Westminster, Rochester NY

https://heritage.statueofliberty.org/passenger-details/czoxMjoiMTAyMjc4MDcwNTA5Ijs=/czo4OiJtYW5pZmVzdCI7

[New Ross was where "your" Patrick's son Kieran was born in 1906.]

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There were two Patrick Powers in Rochester in 1910. I think this is the man who arrived in 1906:

Boarding at 79 Hamilton St with Joseph Anise and family
Patrick Powers, 33, single, born in Ireland, arrived 1905, laborer at odd jobs, has begun the process of becoming a citizen

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5MV-9WY

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Note: this is the other man:
1910 boarding with his brother in law Henry Leach at 61 Cady
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5MN-ZVM

That man was still single in:
1920
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJGC-G1X
1930
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X78D-WTW
1940
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K31D-YHB
He might be the Patrick Powers who died 10 Sep 1952, in Rochester, age 79.

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Getting back to the man I think is "your" Patrick, there is this marriage:

Marriage 4 Oct 1917 in Rochester, Monroe Co, NY
Patrick Powers, age 42, son of Thomas and Mary (Welch) Powers. residence 533 Monroe Ave, a gardner, born in Ireland
spouse: Carrie Diehl, age 39, residence 9 1/2 Richmond St, Albany, parents: John Diehl and Evesina Rothaupt, both born in Germany. Witnesses: Miss Mary Diehl and Mrs Harry Diehl
1st marriage for both

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/536032:61377?tid=&pid=&queryId=2a32a22c8b464f3b0aa7993d94c49056&_phsrc=Kkm59&_phstart=successSource

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Here is that couple in 1930 and 1940:
1930 Census Rochester
at 557 Meigs St
Patrick Powers, b Northern Ireland, parents also, arrived 1885, naturalized, a machine operator, Kodak
Carrie Powers, b NY, parents in Germany

(his age, birthplace and immigration year doesn't match the 1910 Census or his obituary. Maybe his wife provided the information.)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X784-YH3

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1940 Census Rochester
at 557 Meigs St
Patrick Powers, 64, janitor, 6 years school
Carrie Powers, 69
Mary L Diehl, 77, sister in law
all in same house in 1935

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K31W-5QJ

Patrick Powers, husband of Carrie died 22 June 1953 in Rochester.

Here is his obituary from an OCR copy of the text. The paragraphing is mine.
Patrick Powers, 78, Dies;
George Eastman's Gardener
Patrick Towers, a 78-year-old son of Ireland who turned down a job as a New York cop in the 1900s "so he could stay honest,' died here yesterday (June 22, 1953). He was once a gardner and private policeman for George Eastman.

Born in Southern Ireland, Mr. Powers came to New York in 1909. A friend who preceded him had promised him a job on the New York police force. But, as he told a friend here later, he found the job specifications dictated by the Tammany Hall bosses involved dealings in which he preferred not to participate.

He came to Rochester in 191U and attracted the attention of Mr. Eastman, who gave him a job tending the gardens and patrolling his East Avenue estate. He worked on the Eastman estate until 1924 when he became gardner at the Rock Beach summer home of William G. Stuber, then vice president and now honorary chairman of the board of the Eastman Kodak Company. In 1928 he went to work in the roll film coating department at Kodak Park and stayed on there until illness forced his retirement in 1947.

His wife, Carrie, died in 1941. They were married here in 1918. Before his illness, Mr. Powers had lived in Meigs Street. He was a 25-year member of the Kodak Pioneer Club. Friends here said there are no known relatives living in this country. The body was removed to the Frcars Funeral Home, 1340 Lake Ave., where services will be conducted later this week. Burial will be in Riverside Cemetery.

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/135420977/

If the theory is right, then in 1929 Mary (Walsh) Power said she was a widow so she could remarry, since there are no grounds for divorce in the Catholic church. She was free to marry since her husband Patrick had re-marrled. Or maybe she had him declared dead if she had not heard from him for whatever time it took legally.

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Re: Power Family
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 25 November 21 18:41 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, very good, we are only going on hearsay. Some say he left after the birth of Kieran on 13th March 1906, and he died in an accident when he was driving a horse and cart that is what his 2 sons were told you could be very right this marriage was strange at that time he was 32, and she was only 17, Thomas & Kieran were taken in by Hannah's mother in 1907 and yes she could have said that he died as there was no news of him after he left for America. Thanks again JB   

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Re: Power Family
« Reply #7 on: Friday 26 November 21 09:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi oldohiohome thank you this John is the first cousin of my Friend Pat Power who is also researching this Power family I will tell Pat to get in touch with his cousin John. I did this family tree some time ago for Pat but got stuck with Patrick Power born 1873 who married Hannah Walsh, his uncle Tom  who married Stasia North told them that Patrick was driving a horse and cart carrying dangerous goods when there was an accident, and Patrick, the horse, and cart was blown up Can it get any better   :) :) :)

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Re: Power Family
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 27 November 21 14:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi Oldohiohmoe & Sandra thanks again for your help on this Powers family and just to tell you that I found Hannah Walsh Power in the 1911 census here in Kilkenny, when I went over my notes back to 2004.
The story is about when Patrick left in (1908) but it was 1906 as you found for me. Hannah went to work for a farmer, a few miles from her mother's home who she was living with her 2 sons, she had to live on the farm so she could cook breakfast at 6am each day.
In (1917) she was told that her husband was involved in an accident when delivering dangerous liquid by horse and cart when he and the horse were blown up  :) and that was the last they heard of Patrick.  :o Thanks Again JB