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Mary MITCHELL who married John OSBORNE - 1842 at St Erth
« on: Wednesday 24 November 21 17:41 GMT (UK) »
Mary MITCHELL
Baptised 6 Mar 1821 St Keverne, Cornwall, England, base born Daughter of Ann MITCHELL of Ponsengath. When she married, her Father was not named / unknown

I have been unsuccessful at proving her Mother. I have found a young Ann MITCHELL who would have been 17 but she was born in Truro. Might there have been a 'home for unwed Mothers' in St Keverne?

This particular Ann was then married in 1825 while still under the age of 21 and there is no sign of this Mary in any Census after Ann was married. She did, however, have a Daughter with her new husband that they called Mary. Since her husband was a Doctor, it's possible that she left Mary to be raised by her parents or someone else. Can anyone tell me if there is any logic to this? OR, can anyone help with this mystery??

Many thanks!

Karen Stevens

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Re: Mary MITCHELL who married John OSBORNE - 1842 at St Erth
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 24 November 21 18:00 GMT (UK) »
Mary MITCHELL
Baptised 6 Mar 1821 St Keverne, Cornwall, England, base born Daughter of Ann MITCHELL of Ponsengath. When she married, her Father was not named / unknown

I have been unsuccessful at proving her Mother. I have found a young Ann MITCHELL who would have been 17 but she was born in Truro. Might there have been a 'home for unwed Mothers' in St Keverne?

This particular Ann was then married in 1825 while still under the age of 21 and there is no sign of this Mary in any Census after Ann was married. She did, however, have a Daughter with her new husband that they called Mary.

It is unlikely that there would be a home for unmarried mothers, more likely to be in the workhouse.

I am slightly confused.  Mary Mitchell born c 1821 St Keverne - married John Osborne - you say you can't find her after 1825.

Have you considered the 1851. Foundery, St Erth, Penzance
Piece 1917 folio 9 page 11
John Osborne 36 born Cornwall
Mary 28 bn St Kverne
with daughters Mary Ann 6, Nanny 4 & Elizabeth Ann 1

ADDED Who did Ann Mitchell marry
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Re: Mary MITCHELL who married John OSBORNE - 1842 at St Erth
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 24 November 21 22:03 GMT (UK) »
on the same day that Mary was baptised, there was a marriage in St Keverne of William Tripcony & Ann Michell, witnesses William Mitchell & James Rule

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01r2l/

Baptism St Keverne 30 Dec 1822 John Michell, son of William, labourer, & Ann Tripcony of Ponsongate
further baptisms to the couple in St Keverne, abode Ponsongate
17 Nov 1823 Ann
3 March 1839 Francis
3 March 1839 Elizabeth Ann

1841 census as Tripconey in St Keverne
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQYT-SSN

1851 as Trip in Phillack, neighbouring parish to St Erth, not far from Hayle where the Foundry was
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG25-CLS

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CON/Phillack

1871 William & Ann Tripp living with married daughter Elizabeth A Scaddon RG10/2320 folio 22 pg 35 at Brea. Illogan
Burials Tuckingmill
31 May 1877 Ann Tripp 77 Brea
28 Aug 1885 William Tripp 81 Brea

Marriage of Elizabeth Ann to John Scaddon
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=964941


Possible baptism for Ann in St Keverne 8 Dec 1798 daughter of William & Ann Michell


Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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Re: Mary MITCHELL who married John OSBORNE - 1842 at St Erth
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 24 November 21 22:26 GMT (UK) »
parish entry for 1842 marriage

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01r2m/

Possible 1841 census for Mary as a servant in St Erth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQY1-LBS

and for John at Hayle Foundry
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQY1-GJ4
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Mary MITCHELL who married John OSBORNE - 1842 at St Erth
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 25 November 21 09:20 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, Rosie99.

Apologies for the confusion in my post. I did mean only that I did not find my Mary in the Census WITH the Ann that I was looking at for her Mother. I have Mary and John in 1851 through 1881 and Mary in 1891 after the death of John.

(This Ann married John Thomas MILLETT)

Thank you for taking the time to write your answer.

Kind Regards,

Karen

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Re: Mary MITCHELL who married John OSBORNE - 1842 at St Erth
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 25 November 21 10:13 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, Osprey, for your replies to my post.

There's a great deal here to work through!  If Ann MICHELL married the same day as she Baptised her Daughter, but did not name William TRIPCONY as the 'inferred Father', then, would you agree, the Father was certainly someone else? This Ann seems a whole lot more likely than anyone I've looked at previously!

Interesting that the name, TRIPCONEY, changes to TRIP. Not that uncommon, I suppose.

Many thanks, again, for taking the time to answer my (confusing) query.

Kindest Regards,

Karen Stevens

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Re: Mary MITCHELL who married John OSBORNE - 1842 at St Erth
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 25 November 21 13:32 GMT (UK) »
William may have been the father, but as the child was born before the marriage, the cleric may have not recorded his name as Mary was born Michell. It wouldn't really be up to her what details were recorded.

I found the Trip(p) family by chance as I was looking for Francis as his was a less common name and searched for Trip* and the family showed up. Hayle Foundry drew in workers from various rural parishes. You can see the drop in population of St Keverne on the Genuki page
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CON/StKeverne#Population

Tripcony wasn't unusual in St Keverne and some who lived there started using Trip(p) later on. First appearance of Trip in the parish on the opc database is in the 1840s.

https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/person-search/

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Mary MITCHELL who married John OSBORNE - 1842 at St Erth
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 25 November 21 16:22 GMT (UK) »
Thanks very much, Osprey.

I'm leaning toward a different Father. I would assume that Mary would have been raised within the Tripconey/Tripp family, with her Mother, and would have known that William was her Father, if he was. I assume, if that were the case, she'd have named him as her Father when she married. Alas, we'll never know, though!

Thanks, again!

Karen


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Re: Mary MITCHELL who married John OSBORNE - 1842 at St Erth
« Reply #8 on: Friday 26 November 21 13:23 GMT (UK) »
Well, Osprey, I think you may well have been correct when you stated that William Tripcony could have been Mary's father! I have just checked my DNA matches and found a 5th Cousin, descended from William's Brother, Anthony Tripcony (junior) ! ! ! ! !

Thank you, again!

Cheers, Karen