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Baptism
« on: Thursday 25 November 21 15:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Can anyone decipher and if necessary translate this baptism record?

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 25 November 21 19:42 GMT (UK) »
Am
22
October
1854
nr 504

Elisabetha geboren den
22 sten October
1854

Georg Peter Großmann, Bäcker
und dessen Ehefrau Elisabetha
geb(oren) Großmann, beide aus
Waldmichelbach, in Großher(zogtum)
Hessen

no 2
Buckle street
Whitechapel
wo die Taufe
vollzogen
wurde

Christine Becker
des kindes Vater

Dr. L Cappel, Pastor
-----------------------------------------
on the 22 October 1854
nr 504

Elisabetha born on the 22 nd October 1854

Georg Peter Großmann, Baker
and his wife Elisabetha nee Großmann, both from Waldmichelbach, in Grand Duchy of Hessen

no 2
Buckle street
Whitechapel
where the baptism was performed


Christine Becker
the childs father

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 25 November 21 20:50 GMT (UK) »
Thanks.

I don’t understand the last bit about Christine Becker being the child’s father. Any ideas?

Also I’m fairly sure that the mother was born as Pont or Ponte.


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Re: Baptism
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 25 November 21 21:25 GMT (UK) »

CHILD
Elisabetha geboren den
22 sten October
1854

PARENTS
Georg Peter Großmann, Bäcker
und dessen Ehefrau Elisabetha
geb(oren) Großmann, beide aus
Waldmichelbach, in Großher(zogtum)
Hessen

RESIDENCE
no 2
Buckle street
Whitechapel
wo die Taufe
vollzogen
wurde

WITNESSES
Christine Becker
des kindes Vater

Dave

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #4 on: Friday 26 November 21 10:20 GMT (UK) »
The witnesses being Christine and the child's father makes more sense. Given that the baptism was in the house where the child was born and on the day of the birth, it seems probable that the mother was indisposed though probably still in the house.

I am a little puzzled, however, by the mother's maiden name being also Grossmann. She seems to have split with George Peter sometime between 1854 and 1859. Perhaps he died or returned to Germany. However, she re-married to a relative of mine, though no formal evidence of the marriage has yet been found. She described herself as his wife and had two children with him. On one birth certificate, she is named as Gertrude Elizabeth DANIEL, late Crossman, née Ponte. On the other as Gertrude DANIELS, née PONT.

I should point out that my family name is DANIELS, though the "s" is often missed out on documents around that time. Similarly, I have seen his wife called Gertrude Elizabeth, Elizabeth Gertrude, Gertrude and Elizabeth at various times.

So I remain puzzled and would welcome any thoughts or clarifications.

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #5 on: Friday 26 November 21 23:25 GMT (UK) »
Crossman and Grossman are very similar in my view.  Suspect the Crossman is a little bit of anglicizing.

To check out maiden name conundrum I would look for the births of any other children and also at her death certificate (to find an approx date of birth) or you could dive right in to Family Search and search for Grossman/Pont/e births in Hessen and then wider.....

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Re: Baptism
« Reply #6 on: Friday 26 November 21 23:53 GMT (UK) »
I’m sure you are right about the Anglicisation. In fact I know you are as Elizabeth, the subject of the baptism, later referred to herself as Crossman and indeed married under that name.

Gertrude Elizabeth’s maiden name is moreofus a problem. Pont(e) sounds more French than German. I’m not sure what an equivalent Germanic name would be.