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Re: Passenger lists from Ireland to Uk
« Reply #9 on: Monday 29 November 21 08:12 GMT (UK) »
I can't find any records of her before & after 1881.
Unfortunately I don't have any of her family names.

Isobel, only a few weeks ago you said gave the impression that she married John Lee in Blackburn in 1881, and that she died in 1884.
That marriage had also been discussed on RC before then, it seems to be yes it is her, no it isn't her, then yes it is again.
Where are we now on this?

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Re: Passenger lists from Ireland to Uk
« Reply #10 on: Monday 29 November 21 08:44 GMT (UK) »
There are three Blackburn marriages for Ann* Moran.
1881 Ann Moran and John Lee - discussed elsewhere
1882 Annie Moran to Michael Gavigan - possible death in 1890, aged 30 yrs
1884 Ann Moran and Henry Pritt - 1891 shows her as born Ormskirk.

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There are several Moran godparents to the Gavigan children.
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Re: Passenger lists from Ireland to Uk
« Reply #11 on: Monday 29 November 21 09:06 GMT (UK) »
There are several Moran godparents to the Gavigan children.

And the address on the first three baptisms, 33 Brookhouse Lane, is the home of Anne Moran age 21 in Blackburn in 1881. Parents Martin and Margaret.
Those godparents include a Martin Moran, and likely siblings Mary Agnes and Teresa in 1881.

So that seems to be her out of the running!

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Re: Passenger lists from Ireland to Uk
« Reply #12 on: Monday 29 November 21 09:21 GMT (UK) »
I presume though, the ‘elimination’ process has already been done - hence the marriage to John Lee.
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Re: Passenger lists from Ireland to Uk
« Reply #13 on: Monday 29 November 21 22:12 GMT (UK) »


"Have you checked this one in 1871 4179/99/1"

"Annie Moran 14 yrs sister in law b Ireland
She is living at 5 Stone Street with Margaret Moran, head and her family, O’Dowd.
There is a baptism for Michael Moran, 1866 Liverpool (as census) with parents Edward Moran and Margaret O’Dowd"

The Annie Moran above age 25,  married John Lee on 18 June 1881 in Blackburn, she gave birth to John William Lee in 1882, the address where their son was born is 46 George St. West Blackburn according to the birth certificate, which is the same address that the above Edward & Margaret Moran and family were living on the 1881 census.

The Ann Moran (my great grandmother) age 26 was living with my Grandfather James Moran age 3 at 36 Friday St. Blackburn on the 1881 census, so I now feel that the Annie Moran who married John Lee is unlikely to be my Great Grandmother due to the discrepancies in age, events & records.








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Re: Passenger lists from Ireland to Uk
« Reply #14 on: Monday 29 November 21 22:49 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the information, just trying to find out some information about my great grandmother Ann Moran born in Ireland around 1855 but I only have a record of her on the 1881 census age 26 living in Blackburn Lancashire with my Grandfather Age 3.
Can't find her on earlier census's so I was wondering if there could be other records that I could look at to trace her whereabouts after leaving Ireland for UK.

Taking into account her surname and where she went to live, odds are she was from County Mayo.
She may have left alone when a teenage girl or young woman to get work, perhaps to join relatives, friends or neighbours, or she may have gone with family members.
She probably travelled Dublin-Liverpool or Dun Laoghaire (then Kingstown)-Holyhead, then by train to her destination.
Was her son, age 3 on 1881, census born in England? In that case Ann left Ireland before 1879 famine in Mayo. That event, and the years of distress which followed, caused an increase in the number of people leaving Mayo.
Young, single adult members of my family went back & forth between Lancashire and Mayo numerous times in late 19thC. 
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Re: Passenger lists from Ireland to Uk
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 30 November 21 08:29 GMT (UK) »
The bigger age discrepancy in the 1881 census is Ann's son James. Who is given as three years old, when in fact he was two.
Maiden Stone, you posted James's baptism in 2019, and heywood has posted it here. Date of birth 4 October 1878.
Do we have the details from the birth certificate?
So if a 2 year old's age can be out, why not Ann's?

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I have a copy of the Ann Moran/John Lee marriage certificate dated 18th June 1881, her age was 25 & a spinster, John Lee was 38 & a widower, Ann's address was 32 Leyland St. Blackburn & John Lee lived next door at 30.

Annie Lee's age on death in Sep qtr 1884 is 27, which is not totally consistent with her age on marriage. So there is some slight variation anyway.

Edward Moran married Margaret O'Dowd in West Derby RD in 1865, but it doesn't seem to be online. It would be interesting to know his father's name. Ann's father was James.

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Re: Passenger lists from Ireland to Uk
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 30 November 21 08:45 GMT (UK) »
It seems that Edward Moran was from Ormskirk!

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Re: Passenger lists from Ireland to Uk
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 30 November 21 08:57 GMT (UK) »
Ann Moran who married Henry Pritt was from Ormskirk.
Annie Moran in 1871, with the O’Dowds  was b Ireland.  :-\
Perhaps she was just ‘dittoed’ as b Ireland.

We are not getting very far  ;)
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