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Help deciphering WWII Army Records
« on: Sunday 28 November 21 13:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,

Finally received my great grandfather, William White's army records from the MOD. I am having trouble figuring out what he may have been up to in the Middle East Dec 1939 to about Feb 1942 and then he is sent to Alexandria Feb 1942. Is there anybody able to help me figure out what he was doing and what operations he may have been involved in? I do have the book 'The Story of the Royal Army Service Corps 1939-1945' but I cannot work out the company he was in to research it. Plus, I can go to the National Archives to look at the diaries, but yet again, I am unaware of which company he is with.

Many thanks,

MJ

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Re: Help deciphering WWII Army Records
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 28 November 21 13:28 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Help deciphering WWII Army Records
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 28 November 21 15:08 GMT (UK) »
He appears to have served with I Company that is letter I (based on his OC's rubber stamps on the right) because the "I" is very ornately written in the column on the left (the column below the word Kingston). He later transferred to H Company on 3 Dec 1939. I gather he was a Chief Clerk.  Following his commissioning he appears to have been Assistant Officer in charge of Barracks at Alexandria.
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Re: Help deciphering WWII Army Records
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 28 November 21 16:17 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for this Pete. Yes, I believe he was Clerk even before he joined the RASC in 1926. Thanks for that interpreting. It all looks like algebra on the left hand side to to me :)

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Re: Help deciphering WWII Army Records
« Reply #4 on: Monday 29 November 21 09:51 GMT (UK) »
You are welcome, the Army do like their "in house" terminology.
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Re: Help deciphering WWII Army Records
« Reply #5 on: Monday 29 November 21 11:19 GMT (UK) »
Military records were never intended to be read by non-military people and in present day records you will find there is no waffling they are very much to the point.

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Re: Help deciphering WWII Army Records
« Reply #6 on: Monday 29 November 21 11:37 GMT (UK) »
Yes it is I Coy. where he remained until late 1939 when
he transferred to H coy 1st. Cav. Div. as Staff QMS.
The 1st. Cav. Div. became Habforce (1941) which you can see on his record.
They were posted to Iraq.
1st. Cav. Div.
On 31 October 1939, during the Second World War, the 1st Cavalry Division was reformed. It was assigned to Northern Command, and took command of two pre-war First Line Territorial Army cavalry brigades (the 5th and 6th) and the newly formed 4th Cavalry Brigade.[14] It was the only cavalry division in the British Army during the war.

It departed the United Kingdom in January 1940, transited across France, and arrived in Palestine on 31 January 1940. It served as a garrison force under British Forces, Palestine and Trans-Jordan.[14]

In May 1941, the Divisional Headquarters and elements of the division (notably the 4th Cavalry Brigade), together with a battalion of infantry from the Essex Regiment (the 1st Battalion), a mechanised regiment from the Arab Legion and supporting artillery was reorganised as Habforce for operations in Iraq including the relief of the base at RAF Habbaniya and the occupation of Baghdad. Following this, in July 1941, Habforce was placed under the command of Australian I Corps and was involved in operations against the Vichy French in Syria, advancing from eastern Iraq near the Trans-Jordan border to capture Palmyra and secure the Haditha - Tripoli oil pipeline.[15]

On 1 August 1941, the 1st Cavalry Division was converted into the 10th Armoured Division.[14][f] 10th Armoured Division later fought at the Battles of Alam Halfa and El Alamein. The 10th Armoured Division was disbanded in Egypt on 15 June 1944.[18]


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On his promotion he was posted to the Suez Canal Barracks (1942) followed by
the Alexandria Barracks (1943) prior to returning to the UK & S.O.S. (struck off strength)
of the M.E.F. ( Mediterranean Expeditionary Force).
Posted to Eastern Command for allocation purposes & then to Ipswich (1943).
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Help deciphering WWII Army Records
« Reply #7 on: Monday 29 November 21 17:36 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Jim,

That explains a lot. I do know he said he was at Tobruk. But with the dates, I am guessing he was probably at the Axis capture of Tobruk (Fall of Tobruk). Apparently he told my Dad that he was never in any real danger throughout the whole war, except when he was in Tobruk.

Also, one more question. I have so many books on the RASC now, but they all mention companies as numbers, like 25 Company or 65 Company. On his records and on other pages I haven't uploaded they are all letters, C, D, H, I etc. How can I determine which number they were?

And you're right Crumblie, it's all code and foreign to a non-military artist like me :) haha

MJ


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Re: Help deciphering WWII Army Records
« Reply #8 on: Monday 29 November 21 19:54 GMT (UK) »
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On his records and on other pages I haven't uploaded they are all letters, C, D, H, I etc. How can I determine which number they were?
That might be one for the author to answer.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/