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The puzzling Bratton Jones family
« on: Saturday 04 December 21 15:53 GMT (UK) »
I am researching a friend's family and at the moment the Bratton Jones side is interesting if rather confusing. :)

My friend's relation is Mary Bratton (Jones) born 1844 Manchester - mothers maiden name Gould. Her surname on birth reg is Bratton.   Her parents were Joseph Bratton Jones and Susannah Gould who married in Manchester in 1843 with Joseph using the surname Bratton. He is listed as a tailor with father John Bratton also a Tailor   To date the family I have found appear on the census with surname Jones and middle initial B  - 1881  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27P-NDZP 1861 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7FY-PTR and 1851 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGNC-ZGV 

Mary uses the surname Bratton  when she marries Joseph  Webster in 1867  However her children were registered with mothers maiden name Jones!!   Mary very usefully uses the middle name Bratton in the census 1911

If anyone fancies a puzzle I can't find the Joseph B Jones family in 1871 or Joseph in 1841 - although it is possible he is working as a Auctioner in Penrith but this  does seem rather unlikely

The other puzzle is Joseph's birth and where the name Bratton comes from.  In 1841 I found a possible father - JB Jones b 1781 living in Manchester and listed as a Tailor with birthplace unknown.  In 1842 John Bratton Jones a widower and tailor (father Robert Jones farmer)  married Mary Johnson nee Ruddock (who was living round the corner in Miller St in 1841 from the JB Jones I found).   The couple have two children and by 1851 Mary is listed as a widow.   The last date I can find JB is 1847 in the Manchester Rate Books living at Miller St.   

Apologies this is rather long winded.  Thanks for your time

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Re: The puzzling Bratton Jones family
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 04 December 21 22:32 GMT (UK) »

From the BRATTON-GOULD marriage certificate...can you please list all the information on this document.

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Re: The puzzling Bratton Jones family
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 05 December 21 04:02 GMT (UK) »

From the BRATTON-GOULD marriage certificate...can you please list all the information on this document.

The marriage was on 9 Aug 1942 at St Johns Church Manchester
Joseph Bratton Full Age Batchelor Tailor Manchester Father John Bratton Tailor
Susannah Gould Full Age Spinster Manchester Father Joseph Gould Fustion Cutter
Both signed
Witnesses William Schofield and Maria Crowther

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Re: The puzzling Bratton Jones family
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 05 December 21 07:38 GMT (UK) »
GRO index all registered Manchester with mother's maiden name Gould

Susannah 1843 (Brattan)
Mary 1844 (Bratton)
John Thomas 1846 (Bratton)
Joseph Matthew 1850 (Bratton)
Thomas Oswald 1852 (Brattan)
Charles Frederick 1855 (Bratton)
William Henry 1857 (Bratton)
Samuel Heber 1859 (Brattan)

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Re: The puzzling Bratton Jones family
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 05 December 21 08:06 GMT (UK) »

The other puzzle is Joseph's birth and where the name Bratton comes from. 

In 1841 I found a possible father - JB Jones b 1781 living in Manchester and listed as a Tailor with birthplace unknown. 

In 1842 John Bratton Jones a widower and tailor (father Robert Jones farmer)  married Mary Johnson nee Ruddock (who was living round the corner in Miller St in 1841 from the JB Jones I found).   
The couple have two children and by 1851 Mary is listed as a widow. 

 The last date I can find JB is 1847 in the Manchester Rate Books living at Miller St.   


Interesting that Johní Bratton-Jonesí father Robert Jones doesnít have Bratton-Jones surname

have you found any more children born to Robert Jones and could his wifeís maiden name have been Bratton?

You may already have this could this be first marriage JBJ

John Bratton Jones, Tailor
Marriage 24 Oct 1831 Manchester, St Mary
Spouse:   Sarah Hattersley



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Re: The puzzling Bratton Jones family
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 05 December 21 08:30 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Ladyhawk - I have the 1831 marriage but the post was already getting so complicated  :-\   However I should have mentioned that in 1831 JB is listed as a batchelor - so unless he was lying - if he was the father of Joseph he was probably illegitimate

The only other Bratton Jomes's I have come across that just might related is on FindMyPast but is only a transcription and child would be 50 years younger than JB  and may be mistranscribed - can't see them in the census :-\
Eliza Bratton Jones B 1833 Parish of Ceri Montgomeryshire
Parents Robert and Susannah Jones of Penygelli   - Robert is a farmer

Will have another look for Robert Jones  marriages to a Bratton

Amondg - Thanks for confirming mothers maiden name

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Re: The puzzling Bratton Jones family
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 05 December 21 08:37 GMT (UK) »
As you say it can become complicated. This might link with the marriage posted by Ladyhawk.

There is a marriage 12th October 1832 St Mary, Manchester
Joseph Hattersley and Mary Bratton Jones

In 1851 - birthplace Manchester
1861- birthplace Colebrookdale, Shropshire
1871 - birthplace Shropshire
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Re: The puzzling Bratton Jones family
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 05 December 21 08:43 GMT (UK) »
The only baptism of the children I can see are:

Mary bap 4 August 1844 at St Mary and St Denys (Cathedral)parents Joseph and Susannah Bratton
John James bap 6 Dec 1846   same

1851
Joseph Gould 59 Fustion Cutter
Mary 57 wife
Sarah 27 dau single
Mary 21  dau single
John James Jones  age 4 grandson.?

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Re: The puzzling Bratton Jones family
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 05 December 21 08:46 GMT (UK) »
As you say it can become complicated. This might link with the marriage posted by Ladyhawk.

There is a marriage 12th October 1832 St Mary, Manchester
Joseph Hattersley and Mary Bratton Jones

In 1851 - birthplace Manchester
1861- birthplace Colebrookdale, Shropshire
1871 - birthplace Shropshire

Many thanks Heywood - that is a really good lead :) 

Kay