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Re: Margaret Jamieson
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 09 December 21 21:58 GMT (UK) »


Marriage certificate, 1869, HAMILTON-JAMIESON....what do you see for names of witnesses.

Might be close family.

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Re: Margaret Jamieson
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 09 December 21 22:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi Doolittle,

I assume you are asking about Presbyterian churches and not Catholic churches?

In Cambusnethan parish, which included the town of Wishaw but not Craigneuk, there were several Presbyterian churches by the 1840's & 50's. There was of course, the parish church, then the 1st Relief Church (later called Thornlie Church) which was formed around 1831. Also Bonkle United Presbyterian (later called Muirkirk of Cambusnethan) I think that dates from about 1836?
Craigneuk (previously called Rumblingsykes) was part of the parish of Dalziel. Dalziel parish was much smaller than any of its neighbours, Cambusnethan included. The modern town of Motherwell covers the whole of the former Dalziel parish (except Craigneuk, which is in the town of Wishaw). Apart from Dalziel parish church and the quod sacra South Dalziel parish church (both Presbyterian) there was no other church there until the Disruption of 1843 when about one-third of the church of Scotland members broke away to form the Free Church of Scotland.
If your family had connections with the town and parish of Hamilton, it is entirely possible that they journeyed over the river to worship there, either in the parish church or in one of the three Secession Churches there. (all Presbyterian).
It would be much easier if they had been Catholic  :)
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.

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Re: Margaret Jamieson
« Reply #11 on: Friday 10 December 21 01:03 GMT (UK) »
To answer the question of witnesses - they must have been friends for they weren't related.  Also they married in the United Free church in Glasgow. They both quoted their respective mothers' maiden names wrong on their marriage certificate.
I appreciate the information you provided Lodger about Craigneuk as my late husband was born there and went to Berryhill School and Wishaw High.
If Margaret was baptised in another of the churches (other than Cambusnethan) where would these records be - Scotlands People?
Doolittle

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Re: Margaret Jamieson
« Reply #12 on: Friday 10 December 21 01:18 GMT (UK) »
My understanding, is that There are very few freechurch records on SP at the moment.
Information here -
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/guides/church-registers
Milligan - Jardine Glencross Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark Faulds Cuthbertson Bryson Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale Cater Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland)


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Re: Margaret Jamieson
« Reply #13 on: Friday 10 December 21 02:45 GMT (UK) »

If you are researching the origins of Margaret JAMIESON, married John HAMILTON, 1869, the marriage certificate is an important source of information.

Margaret JAMIESON is giving information about herself.

Can you please list all the information on the marriage certificate. Everything please....dates, addresses, ages, occupations...everything.

If you have relevant comments to offer about the information on the marriage certificate you should give this separately, after the listed information.

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Re: Margaret Jamieson
« Reply #14 on: Friday 10 December 21 03:01 GMT (UK) »

Is this the family you see at 1861?


Census 1861 Scotland   at 22 New Wyld Hamilton Lanarkshire     Ancestry
CLARK John              54y    drainer                         b. Ireland
CLARK Mary              35y                                        b. Ireland
CLARK Joseph           16y    son  coal miner              b. Hamilton
JAMIESON Margaret   15y  stepdaughter                   b. Wishaw Lanarkshire
                                      lace tambourer 
CLARK Owen               7y   son                                b. Hamilton
CLARK Elizabeth          5y   dau                                b. Hamilton
CLARK Thomas            3y   son                                b. Hamilton
CLARK Ann                 10m dau                               b. Hamilton

Do you see this family in Census 1871?



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Re: Margaret Jamieson
« Reply #15 on: Friday 10 December 21 03:18 GMT (UK) »
On ScotlandsPeople in the Catholic registers there is a birth for Mary JAMISON on 1 Jan 1849 in St Marys Hamilton. Parents are Robert Jamison and Mary McMahon.
Milligan - Jardine Glencross Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark Faulds Cuthbertson Bryson Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale Cater Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland)

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Re: Margaret Jamieson
« Reply #16 on: Friday 10 December 21 06:22 GMT (UK) »
I have been looking more at the above Mary JAMISON born in 1849 (Catholic baptism) the daughter of Robert Jamison and Mary McMahon.

In the 1861 census [Previously posted by Monica]
she is living with Mary Ann LAIRD who I now think is her aunt, -  Mary JAMIESON.
County:   Renfrewshire (RFW)   District:   Neilston
House or Street Name:   Gormleys Land, Holehouse
LAIRD   Mary Ann   Head   W   F   39   Cotton Bleacher   Ireland   -
LAIRD   Agnes   Dau   U   F   17   Cotton Bleacher   Ayrshire   Riccarton
LAIRD   John   Son   U   M   15   Cotton Bleacher   Ayrshire   Riccarton
JAMIESON   Mary   Lodger   -   F   11   Cotton Bleacher   Lanarkshire   Wishaw

This is the same Laird family in 1851 census
County:   Ayrshire (AYR)  Civil Parish:   Riccarton
House or Street Name:   Churchyard Lane
LAIRD   Marian   Head   W   F   27   House Keeping   Ayrshire   Riccarton
LAIRD   Agness   Dau   U   F   8   Scollar   Ayrshire   Riccarton
LAIRD   John   Son   -   M   6      Ayrshire   Riccarton
 
And in 1841 cenus just after the parents were married
Census:   1841
County:   Ayrshire (AYR) District:   Kilmaurs
House or Street Name:   Crosshouse
Surname   Forenames      
AIRD   William   M   25   Coal Miner   Ayrshire   
AIRD   Mary   F   25      Ayrshire   


I think this might be the marriage banns for the couple.
AIRD   WILLIAM        MARY JAMIESON   
12/12/1840   598/    20 262   Kilmaurs

AIRD   WILLIAM       MARY JAMIESON    /FR460 (FR460)   
31/12/1840   611/    20 275   Riccarton

ADDED 1871 census for Mary Laird, living with married daughter Agnes.
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5b91a667f4040b176c8e283f/mary-laird-1871-renfrewshire-cathcart-1821-?locale=en
Milligan - Jardine Glencross Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark Faulds Cuthbertson Bryson Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale Cater Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland)

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Re: Margaret Jamieson
« Reply #17 on: Friday 10 December 21 09:40 GMT (UK) »
On ScotlandsPeople in the Catholic registers there is a birth for Mary JAMISON on 1 Jan 1849 in St Marys Hamilton. Parents are Robert Jamison and Mary McMahon.

I did say it would be easier if they had been Catholic   ;D ;D ;D

Well done Neale, St Mary's in Hamilton would have been the nearest Catholic church to Wishaw at that time. The only other possible church would have been St Margaret's in Airdrie. Wishaw didn't have a Catholic church until the founding of St Ignatius of Loyola parish in 1859. (St Mary's Hamilton was founded in 1843).
Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
Leonard - County Donegal & Glasgow.