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Australia emigration & immigration 1880 & 1890s
« on: Friday 24 December 21 03:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi my ancestor Robert Robey born c1837 emigrated from the UK to Australia in 1883.

The passenger list names him as having no occupation, so I assume this was assisted migration?

His wife Elizabeth and son Richard Robey join him in Australia in 1884. As does another son John Robert Robey and his family in 1890.

However Robert returns back to the UK in 1894 on his own and his wife dies in Australia in 1897.

What I do not understand is how he was able to afford to return to the UK. Did he intend to try and get his wife back to the UK or did they separate?

I know I am unlikely to ever know, but I really would like any input people may have on this.

With thanks and kind regards,
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Re: Australia emigration & immigration 1880 & 1890s
« Reply #1 on: Friday 24 December 21 04:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

A person with no occupation may have been of independent means, if so he had no need to seek a paid position.   

Which British colony did he migrate to?

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Re: Australia emigration & immigration 1880 & 1890s
« Reply #2 on: Friday 24 December 21 04:53 GMT (UK) »
Article in Trove - I wonder if this is the same Robert Robey as mentioned in the opening post?

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/167954793?searchTerm=%22Robert%20Robey%22
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Re: Australia emigration & immigration 1880 & 1890s
« Reply #3 on: Friday 24 December 21 10:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

A person with no occupation may have been of independent means, if so he had no need to seek a paid position.   

Which British colony did he migrate to?

JM

Thank you. He arrived in Sydney in 1883 as Robt Roby. .I assume this is him as he must have been in Australia before his wife:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1635/images/30796_125478__421-0-00469?pId=3085025

What does a tick mean compared to 'ad' next to a name in the passeger list please? Is 'ad' assisted?

His wife Elizabeth and son Richard arrived in 1884 and arrived at Melbourne:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1635/images/30796_125479__0436-00429?pId=3104716

This is his return to England as R Robey in 1894. He is listed as a tobacconist, which was his job throughout his life.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/994292:70791

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« Reply #4 on: Friday 24 December 21 10:21 GMT (UK) »
Article in Trove - I wonder if this is the same Robert Robey as mentioned in the opening post?

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/167954793?searchTerm=%22Robert%20Robey%22

Thank you. I had seen this, but the occupation is not a tobacconist. Of course he could have done something else and the 1894 year could tie in with why he left Australia. Are there any railway employee records that may survive? Or the court records that might shed more light?

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« Reply #5 on: Friday 24 December 21 12:08 GMT (UK) »
Did he return to Australia?  The funeral notice for his wife Elizabeth suggests that he still had friends in Melbourne

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/188145530
Melbourne Age, 4 October 1897
ROBEY.-The Friends of Mr ROBERT ROBEY are respectfully invited to follow the remains of his late dearly beloved wife, Elizabeth, to the place of interment, the Melbourne General Cemetery.
The funeral will leave 87 Courtney-street North Melbourne, TO-MORROW (Tuesday), 6th .inst., at 4 ,
o'clock.  JOSEPH - ALLISON, Undertaker and Embalmer, 135 Errol-strcct, North Melbourne; and Mt. Alexander-road; Moonee Ponds. Telephone 751.


She had died from a stroke.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/188145454

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Re: Australia emigration & immigration 1880 & 1890s
« Reply #6 on: Friday 24 December 21 12:21 GMT (UK) »
Did he return to Australia?  The funeral notice for his wife Elizabeth suggests that he still had friends in Melbourne

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/188145530
Melbourne Age, 4 October 1897
ROBEY.-The Friends of Mr ROBERT ROBEY are respectfully invited to follow the remains of his late dearly beloved wife, Elizabeth, to the place of interment, the Melbourne General Cemetery.
The funeral will leave 87 Courtney-street North Melbourne, TO-MORROW (Tuesday), 6th .inst., at 4 ,
o'clock.  JOSEPH - ALLISON, Undertaker and Embalmer, 135 Errol-strcct, North Melbourne; and Mt. Alexander-road; Moonee Ponds. Telephone 751.


She had died from a stroke.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/188145454

Judith

Thank you very much. I knew that funeral notice was somewhere but couldn't find it, so great you did

That definitely implies he wasn't in Australia then, doesn't it? As otherwise he would be doing the inviting I assume?

Thanks again.

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 24 December 21 12:25 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: judb
She had died from a stroke.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/188145454
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I had never seen this one before though, so thank you!

And no Robert Robey never returned to Australia.

He remarried his sister-in-law Charlotte in 1900 in London and died there in 1907.

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 24 December 21 13:00 GMT (UK) »
The form of wording for Elizabeth's funeral notice was very common at that time - if you look at others on the same page you will see that the 'invitation' is used in most of the notices.  It would seem to me to imply that Robert was the person arranging the funeral and was possibly present, although obviously someone else may have arranged it and put his name on - perhaps for the sake of propriety.
Elizabeth's death certificate would be useful.

edit to add: Sorry - didn't see your answer re his second marriage until after I'd posted so this person I cited is not him!

No way of knowing if this is him at all so a bit of a long shot, especially given the European ports and his later marriage in UK; however the age of these men are about right.
I see an Inward passenger record:
Robert Robey, English, age 57 (born abt 1840)
Departure Place:   Antwerp, Belgium
Arrival 7 Apr 1897, Sydney, Australia
Ship:   Gera
However Robert Robey was ticketed to Melbourne and a TROVE report says the ship had sailed from Bremen


And an Outward passenger record:
https://www.prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/passenger-records-and-immigration
Robert Robey,    63 (Birth Year:   abt 1837)
Departure: Aug 28, 1900, from Victoria, Australia
Destination:   BREMEN VIA PORTS
Ship:   PRINZ REGENT LUITPOLD II

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