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Mixed Marriages 19th c Germany
« on: Friday 24 December 21 20:18 GMT (UK) »
I've been researching my gr great grandparents who lived in early 19th c Würtemberg and can find all sorts of records for the couple and their parents and their children - however one thing I cannot find is a marriage ca 1836. Now, the man was  born and died as a Catholic and the woman was born and died as a Lutheran. The children all had Lutheran baptisms. Is it possible their marriage was clandestine? He worked in the royal court for a Lutheran king if that matters.

I know she was also rather pious so it seems they wouldn't have just copulated. Though stranger things have happened.

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Re: Mixed Marriages 19th c Germany
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 25 December 21 08:03 GMT (UK) »
That is quite progressive, the children would have been recorded as base born (or something) if it wasn't a legal marriage. I would think their would be a marriage contract somewhere!
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: Mixed Marriages 19th c Germany
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 25 December 21 18:59 GMT (UK) »
That is quite progressive, the children would have been recorded as base born (or something) if it wasn't a legal marriage. I would think their would be a marriage contract somewhere!

Thank you for pointing that out - in fact I have now checked every baptismal certificate for their six  children born over a period of ten years 1837-1847 and they were all listed as illegitimate. It's quite a shock, but one supposes they were very progressive!

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Re: Mixed Marriages 19th c Germany
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 25 December 21 20:09 GMT (UK) »
My gt. grandfather was born June 1854 in Steinlah, Hanover, a few months after his parents married.

At first glance it looked like he was the oldest of six siblings to the couple, but, in fact, he was the first legitimate child - there being several illigitimate babies born before him.
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Re: Mixed Marriages 19th c Germany
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 26 December 21 09:50 GMT (UK) »
It could be worth looking for a marriage later on. I have several examples in my family where the partners were both Catholic and eventually married after a few children came along.
Bulman, DUR
Butterfield DUR & N. YKS,
Earnshaw DUR
Hopps DUR & N. YKS
Howe, Richardson,Thompson all DUR

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Re: Mixed Marriages 19th c Germany
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 26 December 21 14:22 GMT (UK) »
you would. usually take on the religion of the ruler. where you were....obviously that meant some areas remained catholic or protestant all the time..whereas conflict areas changed fairly often...mixed marriages in border areas were more common than one might think

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Re: Mixed Marriages 19th c Germany
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 26 December 21 19:24 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks for these observations. I think there was something preventing them from marrying, family or religious pressures. He was in the military so it's possible he was away a great deal and they kept putting it off. But as mentioned above all the children were listed as illegitimate over a period of ten years so it's not just a clerical error!

I can't read the German schrift of the time well at all - I can only make educated guesses from time to time but there is a note on the "family table" mentioning that the first child was by someone and that's crossed out and that the remaining five were of one (my gr gr grandfather's) father. If anyone here reads schrift I'd love to know what the note says.

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Re: Mixed Marriages 19th c Germany
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 26 December 21 21:10 GMT (UK) »
If anyone here reads schrift I'd love to know what the note says.

If you post it here, we may be able to help you.

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Re: Mixed Marriages 19th c Germany
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 26 December 21 22:03 GMT (UK) »
If anyone here reads schrift I'd love to know what the note says.

If you post it here, we may be able to help you.
Here it is. Her name was Johanna Catharina Schneider - what follows that I can't read. Then  below her first daughter is Catharina Friederika Bertha 1837 19 December below which is the mysterious sentence crossed out followed by the name of my gr great grandfather August D'Ambly then listing his five other children by Johanna.

Any assistance at all would be very welcome!