Looking for origin Country for Peter Lunn (Lun, Lund, Luhn, Lunne) and wife.

[Framesmiths1816]

Hi,

I would appreciate some help with a block in my tree please.

In the 1841 Census I have a relative living at Neptune Court St Marys Rotherhythe Southwark, South London.

The group is

Peter Lunn Head 67 Labourer F
Lydia Lunn Wife  64     F
Maria daughter 32    Needlework   Y
James Son         28 Labourer  Y
Ellen Daughter 24 Needlework Y

The full family from all records found to date are

Peter Lunn b1869-1774 to 1844
Lydia  b1777

Peter Lun b1800-d1805
Marie Lun   b1802-
William James Lund b1806-
Maria Lunn 1809-
James Thomas Lunn b1810-d1888
Thomas George Lunn b1813-
Ellen Lunn b1817-

The 1841 census seems to indicate that Peter and Lydia are not born in the UK and I have not yet found a marriage record for them in the UK or Ireland.  There is a slight possibility
one of other of them might be Scandinavian, possibly Norwegian.  On 2 other records Peter's occupation is given as "Mariner". Peter is buried 6th October 1844 at St Mary's Rotherhithe. Lydia's death date is unknown.

If anyone has any suggestions about where I might look to find other information or can find them in additional records I would be very grateful.

Thanks you
Mark

[theirchild]

Hi Mark, 

I noticed your post's slipped off Rootschat's "Home" page without getting a response. (It was still there, but at the foot of the page, when I started on this.) Displayed on the Board only, it may attract less attention so I thought I'd try and help out.

I'm unable to access censuses at the moment and you seem to have been down that road already, together with exploring marriage records in both the UK and Ireland. A fresh pair of eyes taking at look at those could be useful, so I hope someone else comes along and offers to do that. (Or can suggest other avenues to explore, as I do below.) My response should bump your post back to near the top of the Home page, increasing the chances of others replying to your post.

You mentioned a possible Scandinavian connection, maybe Norwegian. As I know nothing about Scandinavian family history resources, I turned to Auntie Google. That's often my first port of call when I need pointers - although posting on Rootschat is just as valid!

NB: The non-Anc**try/FS websites linked to below (the Scandinavian ones - second, fifth, eighth and ninth links) all appear to be in English; but it's possible their records may not be. The records held by Anc**try and any on FS may also not be in English. But there's always Google Translate and Rootschat to help out in that respect.   

First, I googled "norwegian family history records". There were other options on the results page (and I only looked at the first page) but I picked these out, as they may be the best place to start:   

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/places/europe/norway/

https://www.arkivverket.no/en/find-your-ancestors/tracing-your-ancestry

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Norway_Genealogy

Next, I googled "swedish family history records". Again, there were other options and these are from just the first results page: 

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/places/europe/sweden/

https://www.arkivdigital.net/swedish-genealogy

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Sweden_Genealogy

Finally, I googled "danish family history records" and took these from the first page:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/places/europe/denmark/

https://www.sa.dk/en/services/records-registries/

https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Denmark_Genealogy

If the none of the links above lead you to the answer you're seeking, you might wish to try googling "icelandic family history records" and "finnish family history records". Although not Scandinavian countries, Iceland and Finland have close ties with Scandinavia, as you may know, so could possibly have some similar family names.

Rgds,

theirchild   

[KGarrad]

The 1841 census has very few options for place of origin:
Born in county (NB Not country!)
Not born in county
I for Ireland
S for Scotland
F for Foreign

Censuses are available for all at FamilySearch.org (You need to register; no charges for searches)

[Framesmiths1816]

Hi Mark, 

I noticed your post's slipped off Rootschat's "Home" page without getting a response. (It was still there, but at the foot of the page, when I started on this.) Displayed on the Board only, it may attract less attention so I thought I'd try and help out.

I'm unable to access censuses at the moment and you seem to have been down that road already, together with exploring marriage records in both the UK and Ireland. A fresh pair of eyes taking at look at those could be useful, so I hope someone else comes along and offers to do that. (Or can suggest other avenues to explore, as I do below.) My response should bump your post back to near the top of the Home page, increasing the chances of others replying to your post.

You mentioned a possible Scandinavian connection, maybe Norwegian. As I know nothing about Scandinavian family history resources, I turned to Auntie Google. That's often my first port of call when I need pointers - although posting on Rootschat is just as valid!

NB: The non-Anc**try/FS websites linked to below (the Scandinavian ones - second, fifth, eighth and ninth links) all appear to be in English; but it's possible their records may not be. The records held by Anc**try and any on FS may also not be in English. But there's always Google Translate and Rootschat to help out in that respect.   

First, I googled "norwegian family history records". There were other options on the results page (and I only looked at the first page) but I picked these out, as they may the best place to start:   

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/places/europe/norway/

https://www.arkivverket.no/en/find-your-ancestors/tracing-your-ancestry

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Norway_Genealogy

Next, I googled "swedish family history records". Again, there were other options and these are from just the first results page: 

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/places/europe/sweden/

https://www.arkivdigital.net/swedish-genealogy

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Sweden_Genealogy

Finally, I googled "danish family history records" and took these from the first page:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/places/europe/denmark/

https://www.sa.dk/en/services/records-registries/

https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Denmark_Genealogy

If the none of the links above lead you to the answer you're seeking, you might wish to try googling "icelandic family history records" and "finnish family history records". Although not Scandinavian countries, Iceland and Finland have close ties with Scandinavia, as you may know, so could possibly have some similar family names.

Rgds,

theirchild

Hi therechild,

Thanks for all the links, that is very kind of you. This is why I need another view point because I get so lost in the detail I forget to do the obvious things. I shall check your links out shortly. Thank you.

I also started to wonder about Finland last night as a possibility but I had not yet though of an Icelandic possibility.

The Norwegian link is a hunch simply because my family line that this question relates to has a very large unexplained Norwegian DNA foot print. We can explain all the other ethnicities and know who came from where and why except this Lunn line. Norway maybe be a red herring or a clue. All I can say for sure is that 1841 census seems to imply they are not from Mainland UK.

Manty thanks
Mark

[Framesmiths1816]

The 1841 census has very few options for place of origin:
Born in county (NB Not country!)
Not born in county
I for Ireland
S for Scotland
F for Foreign

Censuses are available for all at FamilySearch.org (You need to register; no charges for searches)

Hi Kgarrad,

Yes, I spent a long time thinking it was "I" for Ireland but looking and comparing the hand writing with other pages of the same volume leads me to think that Peter is "F" for Foreign parts". Lydia is harder to tell, could be "F" or could be "I"

Thanks for your reply
Regards
Mark

[Annette7]

I wonder if these events tie in somehow.

A Peter Lewin Bell married a Lydia Cheeseman 15/10/1798 St. Mary, Rotherhithe

Can find no children baptised in name of Bell to a Peter and Lydia.

Then we have a baptism of a William Cheeseman bp.26/10/1800 St. Mary Rotherhithe, son of Peter and Lydia.  Again, no other baptisms in name of Cheeseman to a Peter and Lydia.

Seems too much of a coincidence not to mention with all events happening at St. Mary, Rotherhithe where your family were.

Annette

[Framesmiths1816]

I wonder if these events tie in somehow.

A Peter Lewin Bell married a Lydia Cheeseman 15/10/1798 St. Mary, Rotherhithe

Can find no children baptised in name of Bell to a Peter and Lydia.

Then we have a baptism of a William Cheeseman bp.26/10/1800 St. Mary Rotherhithe, son of Peter and Lydia.  Again, no other baptisms in name of Cheeseman to a Peter and Lydia.

Seems too much of a coincidence not to mention with all events happening at St. Mary, Rotherhithe where your family were.

Annette

Hi Annette7,

Thank you for this bit of intrigue. Your sentence "Seems too much of a coincidence not to mention with all events happening at St. Mary, Rotherhithe where your family were." has my attention. Am I missing a piece of historical back ground from St Mary's Rotherhithe around this date?

I would be greatful if you are able to expand on this or point me to a source of background reading.

Many thanks
Mark

[rosie99]

I was wondering why daughter Maria was baptised at St Peter, Frimley   .  Was this the point where a name change was made

[manukarik]

Apparently Lunn can be English, Norwegian, or Danish: variant of Lund.

The English variant according to this site:

https://www.houseofnames.com/lunn-family-crest

is Anglo-Saxon. It is derived from the family living in an area that was referred to as the laund, which was Old Norman word meaning the open space in a forest or the lawn. There were a number of locations in England with this topograghic place-name including Yorkshire and Lancashire.