henry jones

[Gadget]

I'm not sure what information Brian has been using  as the info just doesn't fit together.

1. Henry Jones b. Dec 1790 in Llanrhaeadr ym Moochnant. I've followed this family backwards. The family in 1841 and your subsequent info on 1851 and 1861 is not the same Henry. As I have said, this family is in Llanrhaeadr-yng-Nghinmeirch and Henllan.

2 I'm not at all sure where John in Maesbury fits in. I gave the info of the one I found on the 1861 and 1871. That Elizabeth was b. L ym M.

I think we should now wait and find out what information that Brian has that is correct. We're both finding info that might not  be his family and it is getting extremely confusing.

Brian could you show how you got back from your wife to Henry Jones b. 1790. please.

[pritchardgeo]

sorry both for any confusion i have caused.
firstly the only evidence i have found for elizabeth is the census with henry on that 1841 census.
i do not have a marriage for william and elizabeth. and some of the census records i have are with ancestry. and i am not subscribed,so cant access them.

so my known facts i have.
Avrils grandad Albert was born in 1890 in Gwersyllt, son of John Jones b 1860 in Oswestry and Elizabeth b 1863 in Denbighshire.
in the 1871 census John above event place trefarclawdd shropshire. head is william jones aged 42 birthplace oswestry and wife elizabeth aged 33 denbighshire.

in the 1861 census john is aged 1. and the head is william jones aged 34 and wife Elizabeth aged 26 Llanrhaiadr.

all these are known as family facts. sorry for any mixup. thank you.brian

[pritchardgeo]

just thought i should add.
the parents of william b 1827 in oswestry who married elizabeth from llanrhaidr
was william jones 1801 oswestry and sarah grafton b 1786 in oswestry they married in 1824 oswestry.
william siblings included twins emma and susannah both b 1831 oswestry. i realise this doesnt help with elizabeth though.

[Gadget]

If I have the correct family ~

Elizabeth who married William and had a son John in 1860 ,living in Maesbury in 1861, were in Trefarclawdd i n 1871 RG10/2781/23/2

Elizabeth  b.c. 1838. was down as born Llanrhaeadr ym Mochnant.

Baptism, 1 March 1860, Oswestry,
John to William Jones and Elizabeth ms Jones

Have you got the details of Elizabeth's marriage to William. I can only find one C of E one and her father is not Henry.

So this is the correct William and Elizabeth, then.  There is marriage in Oswestry which gives Elizabeth's surname as Jones but it's only a transcript. This Elizabeth was born in Llanrhaeadr ym Mochnant on the 1871.  Thus she is not likely to be the one that you have found on the 1841 in Llanrhaeadr-yng-Nghinmeirch, near Ruthin.

Also, as Ladyhawk has found, the Elizabeth that you list in the 1841 qaa still with her family in 1861 when  yours was married to William and living in Maesbury.

You really need to get a copy of the marriage cert to find out who Elizabeth's father was.

[pritchardgeo]

yes all thats correct. but i dont have and cant find a marriage for william and elizabeth, but assume it would be around 1859 ish.
sorry i dont have any more. thank you. and sorry for all the bother caused !!.brian

[Gadget]

Oswestry
Baptism 1 March 1860 John son of William and Elizabeth Jones, Maesbury. William recorded as a miller

So no maiden surname for Elizabeth.

[Gadget]

I've found a marriage in Oswestry  on Jun 3 1859 between William Jones and Elizabeth Jones. Both living Oswestry. Elizabeth's father is given as Thomas Jones,  labourer.

I'm sure I found a birth for Elizabeth with father Thomas.

This may or may not be your Elizabeth.

** Witnesses - Thomas Jones and Mary Jones

[pritchardgeo]

thank you.
am sure it must be. williams grandparents were thomas and mary. could be them.
thank you. thought we were all grafters!!
brian

[Ladyhawk]

so my known facts i have.

Avrils grandad Albert was born in 1890 in Gwersyllt,
 son of John Jones b 1860 in Oswestry and Elizabeth b 1863 in Denbighshire.

Do you know Albert’s date of birth?

Could this be  his baptism?

Albert Jones
Baptism Date:   23 Feb 1890    Gwersyllt, Denbighshire, Wales
Father:    John Jones Mother:   Elizabeth

and is this them on 1891 census

Piece:   4617
Folio:   35
Page Number:   33

John Jones   31 Mansbury Maesbury (edit) , Shropshire
Elizabeth Jones   28 Gwersyllt
Albert Jones   1 Gwersyllt

Edit to add

Do you have the marriage certificate of Albert’s parents? This should confirm their father’s names and occupations