1921 census

[Erato]

Here is a big advantage of having American ancestors.  1)  US law prohibits the copyrighting of documents produced by the federal government [including, for example, the censuses] and also prohibits the copyrighting of some documents produced by the states.  The individual states vary but most do not copyright any public documents.  2)  For peculiar reasons of its own, the LDS church is interested in genealogical records, transcribes them, indexes them and makes them freely available to all.  You can see any US census for free and many other records, as well.  The downside, though, is that barring the Social Security Death Index, there is no national record of vital statistics.

[Jon_ni]

Lisajj
per Learn More as I mentioned was just reading https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-records/1921-census-of-england-and-wales

[Dr Haynes’ Cat]

Hi everyone, is anyone else finding some of their ancestors are “missing” in the 1921 census?

I’ve found some ancestors but quite a few appear to be missing. I tried keeping the search wide and using name variants but nope, no joy. Interested to hear whether or not others have experienced the same.

Thanks

[Lisajj]

Typical me - not reading all of the info first!
Thanks everyone :-)
I have just managed to find all the household members of one family by using the advanced options in the search.
I will now read ALL of the information given by FindMyPast before I look again :-)
(but I really do need to cook dinner before the family "starve")

[sarah]

Hi everyone, is anyone else finding some of their ancestors are “missing” in the 1921 census?

Yes me too, I search for my 4 grandparents and only found the one after a lot of searching, his year of birth was 5 years out. Just putting in surnames and general areas is not bringing up the number that I had thought would have been listed.

Welcome by the way

[PrawnCocktail]

Hi everyone, is anyone else finding some of their ancestors are “missing” in the 1921 census?

Yes me too, I search for my 4 grandparents and only found the one after a lot of searching, his year of birth was 5 years out. Just putting in surnames and general areas is not bringing up the number that I had thought would have been listed.

Because I do a One-Place Study, I'm looking through the indexes following my small town streets, looking for a lot of people I know are there. One thing that is showing up is that some of the bithplaces indexed are wrong. I have a lot of people where only the county name is given. And some of those are wrong.

I started by getting my father's image. His mother was indexed as "London, Middlesex". Fine - except when I get the image, her birthplace is given as "London, Mayfair". The rest of the family was given as "Cheshire, Northwich", and was indexed as "Northwich, Cheshire.

Then I got one where the whole family was listed as being born in Hampshire, which I knew was rubbish. When I got that image, they were all born in Northamptonshire, and all had the villages they came from specified. All unindexed. I've attached a snip.

It would appear common sense has not been used for the index, and that there's a lot of place information missing that should have been indexed. And unless we're prepared to also buy the transcript, we can't even correct it!

We will have to use the other index fields - the place info is just a tad unreliable.

 

[Jon_ni]

the place info is just a tad unreliable

Their transcribers SBL in India (per https://fb.watch/amCFCCqx_l/ about 25 mins in) must have been using a placename gazetteer or google incorrectly as can't see any logical explaination of getting the top one right as born Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England and the next two as Gosford, Oxfordshire, England clearly an H at the end and one more letter after a stroked T. They must have used something other than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosforth Gosforth is a suburb of Newcastle upon Tyne.
As for Northumberland vs. Oxfordshire?

Whilst inputting expected 1921 Location brings up desired 7 results decided to see what came up with just inputting Parish as that is one of the properties displayed and unless I select  "Whitton,Tosson,Rothbury,Newtown" from the drop down that appears as type get zilch. 0 persons with Rothbury Parish or Tosson Parish. The field should be really be labelled Civil Parish in the Advanced Search to distinguish from ecclesiastical parish, as both appear on the title pages.

Keyword brings up same 7 results but may prove useful as eg Belfast brings up results where the birth place displayed is just    
[County] Antrim, Ireland or [County] Down, Ireland and residence is in England.
Did not purchase Transcription, only original image.

What new did it tell me, not much, but wasn't expecting it too, will be the more distant cousins who married a George Smith or Thomas Jones after 1911 that provide new info, but are too much off to the side to justify the £ until something takes me to that branch, got plenty of other stuff to do. Tells me the street that Great Northern Telegraph Office was on in Newcastle-upon-Tyne where Gt-grandfather worked (have his original apprenticeship parchment from 1880 and a letter congratulating 25 years service with the company postmarked Denmark 1911). Knew the family moved from Newcastle 1920/1 as stopped appearing on electoral registers 1920 and Tom's WW1 medals were posted to Rothbury 1921. Also tells me grandfather worked in the Rothbury grocers shop with his elder brother & 2 sisters before starting with Carrs Biscuits, not a great revelation. Will ran the shop till retirement, never moved, and died aged 100 so met him couple of times despite me living in Belfast. All the others moved (including his parents) before 1939. Grandmother is in Sunderland and other Grandfather in Birmingham where I expected them to be with their families like 1911, but again all moved before 1939. Might look for Gt-Gt-Grandmother Annie Thomas in Birmingham 1921 and see if other daughter is with her - no result but thought she was there May 1920 on electoral reg mmm

[Jon_ni]

they must have had large families in Dublin, Suffolk.
38,251 people born Optional keywords Dublin. Birth county Suffolk! Only 27,040 born in Dublin, Ireland.

Just managed to find 3rd Gt grandmother born 1833 where I expected with a daughter, but transcribed as born 1884 age 37 vs 87 I guess. The row above has a grandson aged 36 and the 3 & 8 are in no way similar, clearly not a 3, plus she is a mother [in-law] & a widow.

[stonechat]

I found Noah Swindells was indexed as Noah Surindelh
It defies belief