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Re: Roberts/Robertson and the French connection
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 09 January 22 13:14 GMT (UK) »
Alexander Robert was mentioned as one of the godparents of Adolphus, the image is on FindMyPast.

There is a Thomas Alexander Adams living at 77, John-street, Fitzroy-St Leonard, Shoreditch in the 1858 electoral roll. He is not there the previous year. Obvioulsy women didn't have the vote, so I don't know where godmother Carlotta B***t was living at the time as yet.

There is no Alexander Adams listed in that 1861 census entry though.

You need Alexander Robert not Alexander Adams  :-\

my mistake! sorry

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Re: Roberts/Robertson and the French connection
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 09 January 22 13:19 GMT (UK) »
French Birth Certificate for Jean-Marie ROBERTS born 28 April 1848. Mother =  Marie Dorothée HELM, father = Jean ROBERTS (porcelain maker),

http://www.fondsenligne.archives-lyon.fr/v2/ark:/18811/a75a6e72a0f76b8b34edfdf67af6e019

Thanks for those. This is where it gets confusing.

I am aware there was maybe another couple in Lyon at the time: Doruthe Helm & Jean Robert and they were living near the family i believe to be my family, in Petite Rue de Landine in the 1846 census. My family were Jean Robert & Marie Helm, in Rue de Landine in the 1851 census (father porcelain maker).. with two sons Jean and Joseph and a daughter Eliza. They may be the same family or simply related..... I'm a bit confused

here is the 1851 census:
Name:Jean Robert
Gender:homme (Male)
Nationality:Anglaise
Marital Status:Homme marié (Married)
Age:45
Birth Date:abt 1806
Residence Date:1851
Street Address:Rue de Landine
Residence Place:Lyon, Lyon, Rhône, France
Occupation: Porcelainier

Jean Robert 45
Marie Robert 36 Épouse (Wife)
Eliza Robert 17
Jean Robert 11
Joseph Robert 3



 I think the two families must be related somehow, if not the same family. I've seen the family you're referring to on familysearch.org

This is the entry from the 1846 census:
Name:Doruthe Robert
Maiden Name:Helme
Gender:femme (Female)
Marital Status:Femme mariée (Married (Female))
Residence Date:1846
Street Address: Petite Rue de Landine
Residence Place:Lyon, Lyon, Rhône, France

Jn Robert 40 (Head)
Doruthe Robert 33 Épouse (Wife)
Theresè Robert 8
Jn Robert 6
Jne Robert 2
William Robert 42 (brother)

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Re: Roberts/Robertson and the French connection
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 09 January 22 13:25 GMT (UK) »
baz201 ok.Will stop looking. You'd mentioned a porcelain connection, so I was hoping it was the right family.
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Re: Roberts/Robertson and the French connection
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 09 January 22 13:29 GMT (UK) »
baz201 ok.Will stop looking. You'd mentioned a porcelain connection, so I was hoping it was the right family.

Thankyou again. Yes, I think they are at the very least related, if not, the same family. It's a bit hard to work it out. I've saved the references you gave me.
Please Don't stop looking if you think you have anything else though!

The dates of birth for the parents though are remarkably close. I wouldn't rule out them being the same family

much appreciated!

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Re: Roberts/Robertson and the French connection
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 09 January 22 13:39 GMT (UK) »
Alexander Robert was mentioned as one of the godparents of Adolphus, the image is on FindMyPast.

There is a Thomas Alexander Adams living at 77, John-street, Fitzroy-St Leonard, Shoreditch in the 1858 electoral roll. He is not there the previous year. Obvioulsy women didn't have the vote, so I don't know where godmother Carlotta B***t was living at the time as yet.

There is no Alexander Adams listed in that 1861 census entry though.

You need Alexander Robert not Alexander Adams  :-\

I found on the elctoral roll: Thomas Alex- Roberts, year: 1858, 28, Foley-place, St. Mary-le-Bone, St Pancras

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Re: Roberts/Robertson and the French connection
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 09 January 22 14:58 GMT (UK) »
If the above parents are correct, they had another child, Marie born on 3 February 1847 and baptised on 4 February.

http://www.fondsenligne.archives-lyon.fr/v2/ark:/18811/699b58dfbefa02618db4fbe71696e507

I think you might be onto something here. Familysearch.Org has four children listed

Jeanne b 1844
Marie 1847
Jean Marie 1848
Guilliame 1851

The two oldest girls could have died or could’ve gone to England with the uncle that is mentioned in the 1846 census (William)
Guilliame Might have been born after the 1851 census was taken, and I think I have seen Joseph referred to as Jean Joseph elsewhere. Meaning the Jean Marie mentioned here could be the Joseph in the 1851 census.
That leaves the mystery of where were Eliza and the other older Jean (b 1840) at the 1846 census however. They are both mentioned in the 1851 census.

Elsewhere, earlier in the thread, we have Joseph working in some kind of a home for children in the 1856 census and not living with his parents, so the two missing on the 1846 census could have been anywhere?

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Barry




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Re: Roberts/Robertson and the French connection
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 09 January 22 15:20 GMT (UK) »
Which website are you using for French census  :-\.   
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Re: Roberts/Robertson and the French connection
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 09 January 22 16:32 GMT (UK) »
Which website are you using for French census  :-\.

Ancestry.com
you have to search under “Rhône census” in the Card catalogue
The French census was taken every 5 years

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Re: Roberts/Robertson and the French connection
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 09 January 22 17:05 GMT (UK) »
This is the Birth Certificate for Jeanne ROBERTS born on 17 November 1844 to John ROBERTS and Dorothée HELM:

http://www.fondsenligne.archives-lyon.fr/v2/ark:/18811/530b159cfbd3bc21c0ca12318fd8c946
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