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Elizabeth Cox, married name Keating, Fleetwood area?
« on: Thursday 06 January 22 16:07 GMT (UK) »
I'm trying to find out a little about the second wife of one of my ancestors. Andrew Keating, born Ireland, possibly Dublin, a bread baker, who had a first wife Margaret Williams (bornJones), they married in 1888.

He seems to have remarried in 1917 after Margaret had died, and moved from Southport to Fleetwood. He married an Elizabeth Cox, in 1917, but I can't seem to find any trace of her in the Fleetwood area. Any brainwaves? I think it's unlikely they had children.
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Re: Elizabeth Cox, married name Keating, Fleetwood area?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 06 January 22 16:15 GMT (UK) »
Do you have the marriage in 1917 to know how old she was? 

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Re: Elizabeth Cox, married name Keating, Fleetwood area?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 06 January 22 16:43 GMT (UK) »
www.lancashirebmd.org.uk - civil marriage so canít be looked up

Have you found him on the 1939 register?

If he & Mgt married 1888 - he was presumably born in the early 1860ís so if he died 1954 he was around 90 (ish)

If he remarried 1917 - Elizabeth could have been previously married & Cox would be her married name - not her maiden name. 
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Re: Elizabeth Cox, married name Keating, Fleetwood area?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 06 January 22 17:20 GMT (UK) »
No, he had died by the 1939 Register - died c 1930. I'd got his age, okay, he was born ( bit nebulous) early 1860s, so I'd also wondered if it was a second marriage for her, and that she would be also "of mature years". There seems to have been no contact at all from the children of his first marriage to Mary Ann Burford with him, after her death.
It's just I'd tracked down an earlier Keating,  I'd been trying to confirm for years, and that set me off wondering about this chap.
I'd assumed she'd survived him, and sought in Lancs, on the 1939 register, in hope.
Thanks a lot.
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Re: Elizabeth Cox, married name Keating, Fleetwood area?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 06 January 22 17:43 GMT (UK) »
Possibly Andrew's death

KEATING, ANDREW       aged 68 
GRO Reference: 1933  J Quarter in ORMSKIRK  Volume 08B  Page 850

Also believe that Elizabeth Cox was aged approx 19 when she married Andrew. 4 male sons born between 1917-1932 surname Keating mother's maiden name Cox. Elizabeth and 3 of these sons appear on 1939 register.

Elizabeth remarries a Fred Southern in 1942 Prescot and possibly dies in sept quarter 1974 Liverpool.

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Re: Elizabeth Cox, married name Keating, Fleetwood area?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 06 January 22 19:48 GMT (UK) »
In your opening post you say
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who had a first wife Margaret Williams (bornJones), they married in 1888

In your last reply you refer to
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from the children of his first marriage to Mary Ann Burford

Deaths December qtr 1916   
Keating    Margaret    60    Ormskirk    8b   1089
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Re: Elizabeth Cox, married name Keating, Fleetwood area?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 06 January 22 20:16 GMT (UK) »
Andrew Keating appears in Southport on the new 1921 census, as a baker. You will need to spend to .. 2 of his possible sons Kenneth Keating 1917-1998 and Edward Wilson Keating 1920-1922 also appear in 1921 census in Widnes. The other 2 possible sons were Clifford Cox Keating 1924-2004 and Gordon John Keating 1932-1979.

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Added, both Kenneth and Edward Wilson in 1921 census are in a Cox household but again you will need to pay to view.
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Re: Elizabeth Cox, married name Keating, Fleetwood area?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 07 January 22 15:10 GMT (UK) »
Margaret Williams was the first - I assume - wife of Andrew Keating. She had been earlier married to a David Williams, her maiden name was Jones, and brought children from the earlier marriage with her. I must have had a mental flip, CaroleW, Mary Ann Burford was the first wife of Laurence (or Lawrence) Keating, also a Baker, Andrew's father in some records. My apologies, they are a confusing lot, and over the years have led me up some right dead end allies!
I'd not yet thought of trying the 1921 census, johnhood, thank you for the pointer to it , I'll get onto that lot...... I'd assumed there'd be no offspring, and that Elizabeth would be more mature. That could go a short way to explaining why Andrew seemed to drop off the map for the Southport family, after his first wife died.
Again, thanks for your pointers, and help with my muddled thinking - there's something about this line that totally disconnects my brain when I start trying again to sort them out!
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Re: Elizabeth Cox, married name Keating, Fleetwood area?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 07 January 22 17:57 GMT (UK) »
ThrelfallYorky, happy hunting. info only. I mentioned that Kenneth and Edward Wison Keating were in a Cox household in 1921. This may be incorrect in as much that I think in this household was a Dorothy Cox born 1918. Looking at gro birth entries for her there is one with a mmn Wilson born Prescot. Possibly nothing to do with the Keatings but the Wilson part struck me as Edward had second name Wilson.

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