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Marriage Certificate? Child out of Wedlock?
« on: Thursday 06 January 22 21:33 GMT (UK) »
Hello Everyone,

Hope you all had a lovely new year.

I have a photo of my grandma's three brothers, Charles Jnr, John, and Samuel.

I have Samuel's death certificate showing he died in 1932 aged 1.

I have the parents (Winifred Berry and Charles Brown Snr) marriage certificate showing 17th March 1927. For a while I wondered if I was reading the certificate wrong because it's very clear from the photo the two oldest boys are too old to be born after 1927 (photo would be dated around 1931/32 as Samuel is still alive).

Today I was able to find the birth certificate of Charles Jnr, and he was born in November 1921! The marriage date of Charles Snr and Winifred on Charles Jnr's birth certificate is showing as 12th January 1921.

Is it possible the original marriage certificate I found stating 1927 is incorrect, or could they possibly have lied on Charles Jnr's birth certificate stating they were married?

I can see another certificate for 1923 for John Brown, also Alloa, but I cannot access it for free yet as it's not the 100 years.

Thank you,
CourtneyP



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Re: Marriage Certificate? Child out of Wedlock?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 06 January 22 22:52 GMT (UK) »
One of mine was 6 months pregnant with their third child when they finally got married, despite having lived as such for years (and she even married under his surname- no wonder it took us so long to find it!)

If you have a Charles dying in 1932 aged 1, were there two different children?

Also out of curiosity, how old would the parents have been in 1921?

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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 06 January 22 22:55 GMT (UK) »
Yes I'm afraid people did tell fibs. 

I have a couple having a son and his birth certificate reads as if parents were married but they never were nor did they. 
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Re: Marriage Certificate? Child out of Wedlock?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 06 January 22 22:59 GMT (UK) »
My g.grandparents had 3 children.  On various census they are shown married but no-one has ever found a marriage cert, nor a death cert for her first husband for that matter. 


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Re: Marriage Certificate? Child out of Wedlock?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 06 January 22 23:42 GMT (UK) »
One of mine was 6 months pregnant with their third child when they finally got married, despite having lived as such for years (and she even married under his surname- no wonder it took us so long to find it!)

If you have a Charles dying in 1932 aged 1, were there two different children?

Also out of curiosity, how old would the parents have been in 1921?

It was Samuel that died in 1932 (the baby is the ladies arms). The two other boys in the photo are Charles and John.

The parents would've been 24 and 20 in 1921!

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 06 January 22 23:43 GMT (UK) »
Yes I'm afraid people did tell fibs. 

I have a couple having a son and his birth certificate reads as if parents were married but they never were nor did they.

I think it just took me by surprise because they were quite strict Catholic's so I didn't expect them to have children out of wedlock!

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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 06 January 22 23:44 GMT (UK) »
My g.grandparents had 3 children.  On various census they are shown married but no-one has ever found a marriage cert, nor a death cert for her first husband for that matter.

It is so crazy how much information changes across census's and records!

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 07 January 22 00:21 GMT (UK) »
Might be interesting to see where this couple were in March of 1921 prior to the birth of Charles.

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 07 January 22 09:55 GMT (UK) »

It was Samuel that died in 1932 (the baby is the ladies arms). The two other boys in the photo are Charles and John.

The parents would've been 24 and 20 in 1921!

Oh, whoops lol I'm blaming it on being late at night here!

Ah, that's possible at least. Most marriages in my tree are around mid-20s or so, I did wonder if an earlier marriage date would make them suspiciously young.

I've had children christened twice, but you don't usually forget you got married  ;D I'm pretty sure my ancestors as mentioned previously only married at that point because he was in the military and they needed to be married for certain benefits. Either they decided to be honest or they needed to provide some kind of proof I guess.

I'm guessing no 1921 marriage entry has been found yet?