Caroline Plymouth

[Godetia]

Hello. I’m trying to trace the parents of my great great grandmother, Caroline Plymouth. She was born in Pendleton, Manchester around 1811 and died in Manchester in 1881. Her father’s name was John Plymouth, a spinner (of cotton), who is shown on Caroline’s marriage banns (twice): the first in 1837 to Henry Topping; and the second in 1851 to John Hibbert. But I can’t find a record of her birth or her father’s first marriage to her mother. (He married again in 1833 to Mary Cleworth but that that’s not Caroline’s mother.). Any ideas how to find Caroline’s mother please? Thank you.

[CaroleW]

A tree on Ancestry has her parents as John Primer/Plymouth & Sarah Stephen(s)

[Milliepede]

Marriage for those two was 19 Apr 1802 Manchester.

On the 1833 marriage to Mary Cleworth he was a cutler. 

[Godetia]

Thank you for that information Carole. I have seen that but I can’t find any documents linking them to Caroline. I’ve found John Primer’s marriage to Sarah Stephens in 1802; but their children were William, Elizabeth and Matilda, not Caroline.

Thank you too, Millipede. I’ll look again at the father’s occupation on the various documents.

Appreciate all the help.

[Milliepede]

No obvious baptism for her is there, that would be too easy! 

Have you got the witness names from her own marriage(s) just in case they lead to anything **

** 1851 marriage has witnesses Elizabeth Chadwick & William Whitehead.

If she was a married sister for example can look for her birth. 

** 1837 marriage has Robert Chadwick & Thomas Gorse

[Godetia]

Thanks Millipede. Elizabeth Chadwick (1851 marriage witness) is Caroline’s married sister. They are together on the 1851 census (although Caroline is listed as Catherine) at the same address as Caroline’s marriage later that year. I’ll have a look for Elizabeth’s birth.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

If you look carefully at the 1833 marriage it says Plymouth or Plimmer  [not Primer]

There's a couple of potential previous marriages as Plimmer in Manchester

1803 to Alice Thorp
1814 to Sarah Butterworth

The second one was widow and widower, so possibly the same man. There's a burial for an Alice Plimmor, wife of John, at All Saints, Newton (near Manchester) in 1808

A possibility is that Caroline is the daughter of Sarah's first marriage and considered John to be her father, using his name (but not found evidence of that as yet)

[Godetia]

Thanks for those clues Mabel. It throws up a number of new possibilities for me to look into. Thank you for your help.