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Re: Kingston Workhouse records
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 12 February 22 18:41 GMT (UK) »
Sounds like something murky occurred that day. Instead of searching for peoples' names, try searching for the location Weston Green, etc. If OCR text has mangled names and places, you'll struggle to find additional reports. Although it appears that the Surrey Comet were following the hearing with interest. So hopefully they reported on the outcome.

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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 12 February 22 19:33 GMT (UK) »
Simon - have a look at this image on Ancestry. Might be a red herring, though. In the image, is William's surname "King" or "Ring"? Bit of a flourish on the first letter. I think it's  an "R" - due to the different flourish on the "K" on Elizabeth Knight and Charlotte King (same page).

Offence: "Assault with intent to ravish".

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Name:   William King
Date of Trial:   16 Oct 1866
Trial Year:   1866
Location of Trial:  Surrey, England
Sentence:   Acquittal

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Re: Kingston Workhouse records
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 12 February 22 21:24 GMT (UK) »
Simon - have a look at this image on Ancestry. Might be a red herring, though. In the image, is William's surname "King" or "Ring"? Bit of a flourish on the first letter. I think it's  an "R" - due to the different flourish on the "K" on Elizabeth Knight and Charlotte King (same page).

Offence: "Assault with intent to ravish".

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Name:   William King
Date of Trial:   16 Oct 1866
Trial Year:   1866
Location of Trial:  Surrey, England
Sentence:   Acquittal
Thanks so much for this. I must improve my Ancestry searching. Given the initial offence took place in September I'd have pretty good confidence this is the same man. 
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Re: Kingston Workhouse records
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 12 February 22 21:39 GMT (UK) »
England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Name:   William King
Date of Trial:   16 Oct 1866
Trial Year:   1866
Location of Trial:  Surrey, England
Sentence:   Acquittal

Just to point out that he wasn’t ‘acquitted’ (despite what Ancestry’s transcript says). The case never proceeded to trial. The image shows ‘No Bill Found’, meaning that it was thrown out by the Grand Jury for lack of evidence, which is not the same thing at all.


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Re: Kingston Workhouse records
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 12 February 22 22:31 GMT (UK) »
Just to point out that he wasn’t ‘acquitted’ (despite what Ancestry’s transcript says). The case never proceeded to trial. The image shows ‘No Bill Found’, meaning that it was thrown out by the Grand Jury for lack of evidence, which is not the same thing at all.
That's very helpful and would explain why the Surrey Comet didn't have a report of the trial.
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Re: Kingston Workhouse records
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 12 February 22 22:37 GMT (UK) »
Any thoughts as to the March 1866 charge against Thomas Rosam for assaulting William King (probably Ring) mentioned in Reply #7 ?

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Re: Kingston Workhouse records
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 12 February 22 22:54 GMT (UK) »
Any thoughts as to the March 1866 charge against Thomas Rosam for assaulting William King (probably Ring) mentioned in Reply #7 ?
The 1861 Census has a 12 yr old William King on the page following Thomas & Ellen Rosam, making William the correct age for the initial Surrey Comet report of an 18 yr old. So it could well have been that William had come round the house to take revenge in some way.

Just to add to the mix, in 1867 Thomas Rosam was working on the houses next to the bank opposite Surbiton station when two men arrived, one at least was "in liquor" breathing obscenities. They appear to have objected to Thomas having been paid more than the other bricklayers on the site and tried to throw him off the scaffolding. They struggled and Thomas almost fell through the joists. The owner of the property turned up, the men were arrested and ended up being sentenced to 3 months hard labour.

Our family is better behaved these days.  ;)
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Re: Kingston Workhouse records
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 12 February 22 22:57 GMT (UK) »
Is Maria Rosam any relation? I do like the report of her chucking stones are her father-in-law.  ;)

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Re: Kingston Workhouse records
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 13 February 22 09:57 GMT (UK) »
Is Maria Rosam any relation? I do like the report of her chucking stones are her father-in-law.  ;)
Sadly not, but there is another report of Thomas Rosam returning to the magistrate's bench in 1869 after stealing one peck of oatmeal and one peck of rape seed from the local beerhouse keeper. It was a moonlight night and the publican's wife recognised him immediately as someone she knew well (presumably he was a regular at the pub). When later apprehended by PC Brown he uttered the immortal words "It's a bad job for me"!
There were in fact two Thomases, father and son, both living in Weston Green, and it's difficult (or impossible) to work out which crime to attribute to which Thomas.
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