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Which Jane Ford? Kilham Yorks
« on: Saturday 12 February 22 11:59 GMT (UK) »
Hello all,
I am hoping someone out there can point the way ahead for me as I really haven't a clue how to approach this.
In a nutshell I have an ancestor Richard Ireland b 1751 Kilham, Yorkshire, his parents are William and Jane married Kilham 1738. I decided to look at family trees on both Ancestry and familysearch and find that people either have Jane (Ford) born in York or Edinburgh in either 1717/1716/1715.
My question is this, while the York Jane would appear the logical choice (I know that sometimes that isn't always the right option) how on earth can I find out which is my Jane?
I have asked tree owners of the Edinburgh Jane but as yet no reply.

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Re: Eeny meeny miney mo
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 12 February 22 12:34 GMT (UK) »
With luck the register entry for the marriage will give the parish of abode of both parties. You'll need to see either a transcription of the register, or better still an image of it.
The marriage is indexed on FamilySearch (looks like both the marriage register and bishop's transcript) but the image isn't available directly, and hasn't included indexing of abode.
Banns, marriage register and BTs are available on Findmypast. Might be worth a look there.
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Re: Eeny meeny miney mo
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 12 February 22 12:42 GMT (UK) »
A suggestion: it would be better amend your subject heading to  include the name you're interested in.  This might at some time bring it up on a google search by another interested party  :)
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Re: Eeny meeny miney mo
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 12 February 22 12:48 GMT (UK) »
Scotland, Jane often Jean.

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Re: Eeny meeny miney mo
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 12 February 22 14:02 GMT (UK) »
Looking at the image of the original entry there is no mention of either the bride or the groom's parish. Entry just states names and date.
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Re: Eeny meeny miney mo
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 12 February 22 14:25 GMT (UK) »
Have you checked for other possible marriages or for deaths for the Jane born in York?
Have you considered variants of Jane e.g. Jenny? Death of one of my Janes was written in church register as Ginny.
Are local parish registers complete? 
I agree with JenB about amending the title. Including surnames & place, Kilham, Yorkshire, may attract interest. 
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Re: Which Jane Ford? Kilham Yorks
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 12 February 22 14:28 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all so much for you speedy response, unfortunately I don't have access to Find My Past just Ancestry as they do the handy monthly payments.
I think maybe with no available image of parish of abode this will be one of those brick walls.
in reply to Maiden Stone, no, good point will have a root about, thank you.


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Re: Which Jane Ford? Kilham Yorks
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 12 February 22 15:09 GMT (UK) »
I have found 4 Jane Fords born York 2 sadly passed away in early childhood, the other 2 Jane Fords were baptised 1/1/1715 and 1/1/1716 both at St Crux York and both with William as father.
One of these 2 could be mine, anyway I will continue to try and whittle down.
Thank you all so much for your help, much appreciated.

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Re: Which Jane Ford? Kilham Yorks
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 12 February 22 17:13 GMT (UK) »
Hello all,
I am hoping someone out there can point the way ahead for me as I really haven't a clue how to approach this.
In a nutshell I have an ancestor Richard Ireland b 1751 Kilham, Yorkshire, his parents are William and Jane married Kilham 1738. I decided to look at family trees on both Ancestry and familysearch and find that people either have Jane (Ford) born in York or Edinburgh in either 1717/1716/1715.


If your b 1751 means bapt or born (and not buried), then it would mean that if Richard Ireland got married the marriage would be after 1754, so who were present as witnesses at his marriage in the Parish Register?

Those present at Marriages can occasionally be Church or a regular witness who sign adjacent marriages, or a neighbour or occupation acquaintance. However, just about all of mine present at Marriages are earlier family, or earlier / wider family related to the parties marrying and very occasionally family acquaintances.

Sometimes, earlier relatives are more visibly present at a marriage of a Brother or Sister to a direct line ancestor and perhaps they left a Will?

When a researcher gets beyond Civil Registration beginning Sept 1837 and the England Census, Wills if they left one?

Wills may give only a Wife, but a few give extensive family or relatives and/or acquaintances.

If they left property in a Will, it would mean they owned property, Yorkshire Deed Memorials were a summary of the transfer and be registered at one of the Yorkshire Deed Registries. Property might sometimes be passed down, or if it was a Copyhold ownership, the transfer would be conducted by the Manor Court and recorded in Manor Rolls records, where they have survived for the place where they lived.

I don't use Ancestry Trees, I like to check everything for myself and need either an image or photocopy print of the actual document. I need to search for everything that might survive at the Archives too.

Also, some Yorkshire Parish Marriage Registers do not state Widow or Widower in the Parish Register, but if it says married by Licence, I need the Marriage Allegation / Bond, where those details are given when the Licence was applied for, but sometimes not stated in the Parish Register.

Any Family Memorial / Grave Inscriptions?

Mark