needham family of Barnsley and Sheffield

[rakpat]

I am related to the Needham Brothers family who had a foundry in Barnsley, started in Sheffield by John Needham (b1820).  Could anyone help answer the question as to whether he had 2 families?  I have found Harriet from whom I am descended with John, but then found John with Sarah at around the same time with many children - mainly girls! Is this the same John?

[CaroleW]

Can you expand on the info please?

1871 has a John Needham 51 occ moulder b Sheffield.  Wife Harriet 51 b Rotherham

Is that the entry you are referring to?

[CaroleW]

That 1871 entry has a son Charles aged 22.  Charles birth reg has mmn Twiby??

John Needham married Harriet Turbey  March qtr 1841 Sheffield

Is this the family you are following?

[CaroleW]

1861 has Harriet married with 3 sons shown as an iron moulders wife.  John not in household

Eldest son Frank b 1844 - mmn Twiby

No birth reg for son Harry b 1853/54

Where did you find John with Sarah?  Please give Sarah’s birthyear & birthplace & names etc of the children you found

[trish1120]

Anc has Harriet mistranscribed in 1851;
John Nieeham   31 Iron Moulder
Hannah Nieeham 32
William Nieeham 9
George Nieeham 8
Frank Nieeham   7
Charles Nieeham 2
Rose Minon   15
Anna Trevers   20

And again her maiden name;
NEEDHAM, HARRY mmn SWIBY 
GRO Reference: 1853  J Quarter in OF ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 203

NEEDHAM, GEORGE  mmn    TWIBY 
GRO Reference: 1842  D Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 22  Page 506

Trish

[trish1120]

In 1871 Anc has a Rhoda Needham born 1849 as the Daughter of John/Harriet.
She is their Daughter in Law, Wife of Charles.
Married 1870, Rhodas maiden name Bell

+ Son born before Marriage;
BELL, GEORGE  HARRY     - 
GRO Reference: 1869  M Quarter in BARNSLEY UNION  Volume 09C  Page 149

1841 in Sheffield we have;
John Needham   20 Moulder
Harriot Needham 20

So as CaroleW stated 1841 Marriage is correct

[rakpat]

John Needham (b.1820) was married to Harriet (Turbey?) (b.1819) on1841 Census.
On 1851 Census he was with Harriet and had 4 sons, William, George, Frank, Charles at Wellington St., Sheffield.
On 1861 Census it looks like John was with Sarah Needham (b.1823) at Weight Lane, Sheffield with the following children: Emma, Anne, Joseph, Mary, Mirah, Leach?, Sarah, Eliza.  Harriet was listed as living alone at 16 Summer Lane, Barnsley with Frank, Charles and Harry (my g g grandfather).
On 1871 Census John was with Harriet at 67 Summer St., Barnsley with Charles, Rhode (sister-in-law), Harry and Edward, (a grandson b. 1869?).  Sarah seems to have been back in Sheffield at 403 Glossop Road, but only two of the children, Mary and Sarah, seem to be the same, but curiously a John J (b.1846)  is listed as being a son!  I can't trace the girls previously listed.

[CaroleW]

That info you give above shows a John & LEAH Needham - not Sarah.  No occupation shown for John. 

Did you look back for the family in 1851?

If you had - you would have found he was a miner & is with the family in 1851 so not your John
Needham

1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7L8-XPN

1851
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SPM3-XHX

[rakpat]

I used a master search on The Geologist website, where I am a member, and it clearly lists on the 1861 census  John Needham b1819
            Sarah Needham b1823
            Emma 1843
            Anne   1845
            Joseph 1850
            Mary    1852
            Mirah   1854
            Leach   1856
            Sarah   1858
            Eliza     1860
Living at Weight Lane, Sheffield. The other family you mentioned, Carole, isn't the same family.