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Searching gggrandfather Carruthers, born South Shields, born 1836
« on: Monday 21 February 22 19:31 GMT (UK) »
searching parents of Andrew Carruthers, born South Shields, born 1836. Had a son william, born South Shields, 1861.
Boden,( Cheshire) Crawford, ( Londonderry) Murray,( Londonderry), McKaig,(Lisnabreeny ,Co.Down.), McKibbin,( Moneyreagh), Davidson,(Bangor, Co. Down.)

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Re: Searching gggrandfather Carruthers, born South Shields, born 1836
« Reply #1 on: Monday 21 February 22 21:11 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat

Have you found William on any census with his parents? 

Who was William's mother & what was her maiden name?

The only Andrew Carruthers I can see was b Scotland 1830 & died Durham 1909

There is no census entry for a William Carruthers with a father Andrew


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Re: Searching gggrandfather Carruthers, born South Shields, born 1836
« Reply #2 on: Monday 21 February 22 21:27 GMT (UK) »
Where did you get your info from?  There is no census entry for a William Carruthers b Durham 1860-1864

Please provide more information
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Re: Searching gggrandfather Carruthers, born South Shields, born 1836
« Reply #3 on: Monday 21 February 22 21:42 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to RootsChat.

Is this your family in 1901 in Ireland?
You will see that Andrew Carruthers is born in County Down, not South Shields
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Pottinger/Wyndford_Street/1221496/

William and family in 1911 Ireland. This census suggests he was born abt. 1858.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Clara_Crescent_Upper/227906/

You need to confirm that this is the Andrew and William Carruthers that you are looking at. :)
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Re: Searching gggrandfather Carruthers, born South Shields, born 1836
« Reply #4 on: Monday 21 February 22 22:01 GMT (UK) »
Death record for Andrew Carruthers on 3 Jan 1911, age 79 (suggests born abt 1832)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1911/05406/4510367.pdf
Occupation boiler maker; widower; Son William in attendance.

Added:
1881 census - England
Andrew Carruthers age 53 (born 1828) Ireland, married, iron ship rivetter
Boarder in Barrow in Furness, Lancashire

Andrew Carruthers born about 1828 County Down Ireland, boiler maker
9 July 1885 Lancaster gaol - 14 day sentence for being drunk in Barrow.
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Re: Searching gggrandfather Carruthers, born South Shields, born 1836
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 22 February 22 03:10 GMT (UK) »
The only birth registration I can find for a William Carruthers in Sth Shield is in March quarter 1856.  Mothers maiden name - LAMBERT.
This is NOT the son of Andrew though. I believe parents are William Carruthers and Frances Lambert married in 1852.
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Re: Searching gggrandfather Carruthers, born South Shields, born 1836
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 22 February 22 06:17 GMT (UK) »
just to let you know - there is another Andrew Carruthers b 1836 - he died in Liverpool ..found on Geneanet.org

Burial: 5 Dec 1858 St Michael, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Andrew Carruthers -
    Age: 22 yrs
    Abode: Northumberland Street
   the wrong one - but don't get him mixed up with yours
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Re: Searching gggrandfather Carruthers, born South Shields, born 1836
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 22 February 22 09:21 GMT (UK) »
Here is the second marriage on 17 Oct 1886 for Andrew Carruthers in Belfast  to Mary Murray, nee Burns. Andrew is a widower, boiler maker, age 56, (birth year abt 1830). His father is Samuel, a farmer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10847/5960509.pdf

So if he was married at the time in the 1881 census, his wife possibly died in England between 1881 and 86.

His second wife Mary died in 1894
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05952/4691657.pdf
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Re: Searching gggrandfather Carruthers, born South Shields, born 1836
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 22 February 22 10:05 GMT (UK) »
This may be the death of Andrew's first wife ...
Name: Agnes Carruthers; Age   53; Birth Year (Estimated)   1832
Death Date   1885
Death Place   Barrow In Furness, Lancashire, England
Page   558, Volume   8E, Affiliate Line Number   325
Registration Quarter   Jan-Feb-Mar; Registration Year   1885

and this is her in the 1881 census Hedworth Monkton & Jarrow; South Shields
•   Agnes Carruthers Head; born abt 1833 Scotland; married (but no husband there)
•   Samuel? Carruthers, son, age 16, born North Shields, apprentice Riveter
•   Mary Agnes Carruthers, daughter, age 12, born Scotland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q271-LFW1

Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)