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Re: John Mitchell and Sarah Susannah Mitchell (nee Anderson) born about 1813
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 26 February 22 05:40 GMT (UK) »
To answer your question , wivenhoe:

John Mitchell death certificate informant: W. Burton authorised agent. 277 Malvern Road, South Yarra

Sarah Mitchell death certificate informant: John Mitchell husband. South Yarra.

Just curious; why do you need this information?

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Re: John Mitchell and Sarah Susannah Mitchell (nee Anderson) born about 1813
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 26 February 22 06:27 GMT (UK) »


You have few opportunities to see good recorded information about the people you are researching, in England, because BDM records for that time give little information.

Having moved to Victoria, in which location BDM certificates record good information, you are well placed to find useful clues to the origins of your ancestors.

Sarah died first, with husband as informant, so you would expect this information to be credible. Husband John has known Sarah longer than has anyone else around when Sarah dies.

John MITCHELL died  several years later. The agent is the notional informant, the medium for registering information given by......who?

Possibly an adult son/daughter.

You need to give close, questioning attention to BDM documentation. You should include date and place of the death registration. If eg. their is a gap of many days you might wonder why....might mean something, might mean nothing.

Why, for both certificates, is son Robert recorded as deceased?

Work down a generation. What names do you see for children of these MITCHELL sons and daughters.....grandchildren of the MITCHELL-ANDERSON couple?

Often clues (as names) can skip a generation. The children of John MITCHELL and Ann ANDERSON might use family names from their MITCHELL/ANDERSON ancestry for their own children.


St Kilda Cemetery    https://smct.org.au/deceased-search

MITCHELL Sarah
Baptist, Compartment B, Grave 060  date of Service 22 Apr 1889

MITCHELL John
Baptist, Compartment B, Grave 060  date of Service 9 Sep 1895

There are usually four burials in a plot.  You could contact the Cemetery, give the plot reference, and ask who else is buried in the plot.  Might be a surprise find.

And the certificate for John MITTCHELL's  second marriage in Victoria would have information that John gives about this origins...first hand information.

Read through other posts on Rootschat and see how all details from source records have been used to advanced family history research.

 

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Re: John Mitchell and Sarah Susannah Mitchell (nee Anderson) born about 1813
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 26 February 22 06:35 GMT (UK) »


All the information is important.....everything.

This for Nicolaus IMHOFF, witness at MITCHELL-ANDERSON marriage, with wife born Romsey Huntingdon. Might be something....might be nothing...but worth a closer look.

And IMHOFFs and TRITCHLERs to find in Victoria....use Trove.


Ancestry London BDM   https://www.ancestry.com.au/search/collections/1623/

St Matthew Bethnal Green
16 Dec 1835
TRITSCHLER Ann  widow
IMHOFF Nicolaus  bachelor

Witnesses  George Alexr AMES   Phillip C****   (all parties sign)

Ancestry Census England 1841   24  Curtain  Rd  St Leonard Shoreditch
IMHOFF Nic**          30y                           F
IMHOFF Ann            40y                           N
ANDRAIN William     20y     *** cutter       N

Difficult to read, other households at this address.

Ancestry Census England 1851   24  Curtain  Rd  St Leonard Shoreditch
IMHOFF Nicolaus     50y  head clockmaker            b. Germany  British Subject
IMHOFF Ann            55y                                     b. Romsey Huntingdon

JOHNSON Henry      32y  head  optician              b. London
JOHNSON Sarah       33y                                     b. Tottenham London

EDWARDS Jane   head   unmarried   dressmaker   b. London
SMITH Ann        35y   companion  unmarried        b. London

Ancestry Census England 1861
Cannot see IMHOFFs in this census.

Ancestry Census England 1871       50 Paul St St Leonard Shoredich
IMHOFF Nicolaus    68y  clockmaker                     b. Germany
IMHOFF Ann           67y  clockmakers wife            b. Romsey Huntingdon

Other households at this address...mostly clockmakers....German names.


Where is the MITCHELL-ANDERSON family for Census 1851?

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Re: John Mitchell and Sarah Susannah Mitchell (nee Anderson) born about 1813
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 26 February 22 12:19 GMT (UK) »
Hello wivenhoe

Some answers (which inevitably raise more questions!):

John (b. 1847 – 1892 aged 45) Buried at St. Kilda Cemetery.
Marshall (my great-grandfather)(1 July 1849 – 2 September 1893) Buried at St. Kilda Cemetery.
Not sure if they are in the same plot as their parents.
Other family members are also buried in St. Kilda Cemetery.

I have been unable to locate the 1851 census so I'm at a loss as to what the family circumstances were at that time.

It's possible that John and William came earlier to Australia, but a search for William in BDM records for Victoria yields nothing. If he came out he might have later returned to England. He might also have moved interstate.

Not sure why Robert is listed as deceased in both certificates. I have evidence that he died in 1936 but I need to check it again – will get back to you.

I understand the need for thorough checking of records and the value of detail. My question arose from a rather unfortunate experience I had several years ago when I passed on some family information that I’d researched and checked and for which I had fully documented evidence. The recipient was unhappy that I’d discovered a great-great grandmother who’d had an illegitimate child when she was 17 in the 1840s. Not a great experience.

My usual starting point for researching the many branches of my family is death certificates. Victorian certificates contain a great deal of useful information and it’s relatively straightforward to cross-check information and work back to earlier family members. The GRO is also excellent. My biggest issue is how common my family names are. Drives me up the wall. That’s why RootsChat is so brilliant. So many talented people who are more than happy to help and who know different ways of finding and understanding information.

Thank you for your detailed responses; they are greatly appreciated.

Peter



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Re: John Mitchell and Sarah Susannah Mitchell (nee Anderson) born about 1813
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 26 February 22 22:54 GMT (UK) »
This appears to be the original marriage record for John and Sarah Mitchell. Sarah's middle name was Susannah. Not sure why it was recorded on this instead of her first name.