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Which prison/hulk held Joseph Caudwell in 1843/4?
« on: Thursday 03 March 22 12:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi all

I have a Joseph Caudwell who was. convicted of horse stealing and transported to Australia in 1844 aboard the London

just wondering where he was held prior to his transportation.

Thanks
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Re: Which prison/hulk held Joseph Caudwell in 1843/4?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 03 March 22 12:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi
He was convitted 2 Jan 1844 at Derby.Born 1796 ploughman and farmer ,guilty of horse theft and got 10 years.He was transported 15 th March so he had to be got from Derby to the port of London in just under 2 months ,so whereever he was held it wasn't for too long.

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Re: Which prison/hulk held Joseph Caudwell in 1843/4?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 03 March 22 12:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Where & when was his trial? 

Which British Colony was he transported to? 

Until 1901 Australia really only referred to the continent,  so the name of colony he was transported to, Should lead you to the state based archives.  Most convict records are readily available online. So, for example,  if he was transported to Van Diemens Land, then the Tasmanian State Archives will be useful in noting where he was tried.  Once you know that, it is a much smaller step to finding where he was initially held, prison/prison hulk.

Sometimes a close read of the Convict Archives  can include how/from which the prisoner was delivered  to the transport ship.


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Some of my question is already answered,  but I will leave as is, for context.  Two months .... 1843ish


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Re: Which prison/hulk held Joseph Caudwell in 1843/4?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 03 March 22 12:54 GMT (UK) »
FindMyPast's papers include a petition for clemency raised by the Rev Howard Fuzill (?), signed by 9 farmers who knew him when he held a farm in the Parish of Normanton and 15 respectable persons of the Parish.

The Rev Fuzill refers to " ... an honest industrious man and of good character ...... with a wife and eleven children nearly dependant upon him"
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.


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Re: Which prison/hulk held Joseph Caudwell in 1843/4?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 03 March 22 13:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi,  on e reader, but,

I have justed poated on a thread that should help our OP.

Coyld one of the regulars pkease pop a link on this thread,  my ereadet doesnt know how to do links.

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Re: Which prison/hulk held Joseph Caudwell in 1843/4?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 03 March 22 13:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi,  on e reader, but,

I have just posted on a thread that should help our OP.

Could one of the regulars please pop a link on this thread,  my ereader  doesnt know how to do links.

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Re: Which prison/hulk held Joseph Caudwell in 1843/4?
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 03 March 22 13:09 GMT (UK) »
Nottingham Review & General Advertiser for the Midland Counties, 2 Feb 1844
"DERBY COUNTY GAOL - The following prisoners left the Gaol on Tuesday morning by the railway, to be delivered over to the Governor of the Millbank Prison, London, there to remain until their several sentences of transportation can be further carried into execution, viz.: - ......"

6 names listed including "Joseph Caudwell, 10 years".
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.

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Re: Which prison/hulk held Joseph Caudwell in 1843/4?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 03 March 22 13:14 GMT (UK) »
There's a lengthy report of his trial in the Derbyshire Courier, 6 January 1844. This time it mentions 18 children.
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St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.

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Re: Which prison/hulk held Joseph Caudwell in 1843/4?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 03 March 22 21:17 GMT (UK) »
Here is the live link to the thread about Joseph that I mentioned earlier.   

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=685824.0

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https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON33-1-56$init=CON33-1-56p37 

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