Brown Marriage Mystery

[aidansrest]

Hi

Looking for more information on the bride of this man.

John Brown, born in Sunderland on the 6th November 1813, son of John Brown and his wife, Sarah Fisher.
He married firstly in 1833 to Jane Mowbray.
After she died in 1869, he appears to have remarried in Sunderland on the 11th February 1871 (venue unknown), to Elizabeth Metcalf - whose previous name was noted as 'House' when she married.

Elizabeth was younger than John, being born c1833 in Penshaw, County Durham.
They appear on the 1871 census, with three children, all given the surname of Brown;
Elizabeth Jane born c 1855
John Thomas born c1858
Alice Mary born c 1865

None of them can be John's as his wife, Jane, did not die until 1869, but cannot find Elizabeth or the two elder children in 1861.

Or have I got it all dreadfully wrong!!

Cheers
Sue

[Milliepede]

Can you find birth records for the children?  Appreciate Brown is a common name but a maiden name may stick out.

If I have it right you are saying the children can't belong to Jane because she would be too old is that right? 

Have you looked under his second wife's name to see if they were hers? 

[Milliepede]

Well the 1871 you mention links to a James Brown/Elizabeth Birkbeck marriage in 1853.

Elizabeth Jane born Jun 1854 Sunderland has mothers name Birkbeck so possibly the wrong 1871 census for your family?

John Thomas Brown born Dec 1857 & Alice Mary born Jun 1865 Sunderland also have Birkbeck.

[Milliepede]

Possible for Elizabeth Jane in 1861

Elizabeth Brown 65 head
Mathew Brown 27 son
Abigail Brown 20 daughter
Elizabeth Jane Brown 6 granddaughter

[aidansrest]

Possibly the wrong marriage and couple!

My John Brown's first wife, Jane, died in 1869; he didnt have any chuildren with her named Elizabeth Jane, John Thomas or Mary Alice; his and Jane's last child, was George, born in 1852.

I can't find John for sure on the 1871 census, but the John who married Elizabeth in 1871 (if it is my John), was around the right age, and had a very similar occupation.
Also Elizabeth was 20 years younger than him.

Think I may need to buy the marriage certificate!

Sue

[Milliepede]

Was the 1871 marriage before the census or after?

What occupation does your John Brown have and do you have him after 1871 with Elizabeth or has he passed away?

[Milliepede]

Sorry just to clarify then he did have children with first wife Jane - George being the youngest.

[aidansrest]

Hi

John Brown married Elizabeth Metcalf (nee House) in Sunderland on the 11th February 1871, his first wife, Jane (nee Mowbray) had died in February 1869. If this was 'my' John

John was employed as a shipwright, and his children with Jane were;
John - born 1835
Mary Jane - born 1837
William - born 1840
Isabella - born 1843
Sarah - born 1846
William - born 1848 (indicating that the first William had died)
George - born 1852

Cheers
Sue

[Milliepede]

Thanks for clarifying.

So John is missing in 1871 but Elizabeth was his wife by census time.