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Re: understanding Matches of matches knowing some connections
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 12 May 22 17:23 BST (UK) »
Just looked again, and Hypothesis 1 seems to be based on my Grandfather being born in 1877? Whereas he was born in 1860Ö

And so Iím unsure if I should discount this hypothesis?


Hypothesis 1
Subject is the child of Father of IH b1896 and grandchild of Unknown half-sib born circa 1877

SCORE = 1,582
About 2 times more likely than the next hypothesis.

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Hi Romilly,
     Sorry only just seen your earlier response, so only just looked at your tree.  Not sure how you original built the tree, but the 1877 date is part of the 'name' for that person, so is nto actually used in any of the 'calculations' for the probabilities. So no you shouldn't discount it.   
     On your previous message you asked about adding new people, and yes you can do that, if you click on a person there is the option to add a child (or parent if they are the top of the tree).

Richard
Sellens - Sussex
Newham - Surrey
Wellington - Dagenham, Essex
Camp - South Essex
Wren - Essex
Livermore - Essex
Wane - Essex
Fisk - Essex / Suffolk
Bailey/Bayley - Sussex
Newton - Sussex
Funnell - Sussex
Streeter - Sussex
Coates - Sussex
Maisey - Surrey

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Re: understanding Matches of matches knowing some connections
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 12 May 22 17:42 BST (UK) »

Many thanks Richard.

I'm still trying to understand these hypotheses, but looking at the next page would seem to indicate that my highest paternal match is a half 2nd Cousin?

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Re: understanding Matches of matches knowing some connections
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 12 May 22 17:51 BST (UK) »

Many thanks Richard.

I'm still trying to understand these hypotheses, but looking at the next page would seem to indicate that my highest paternal match is a half 2nd Cousin?

Romilly.

Correct, if hypotheses 1 is correct, then out of all the matches you have entered on the tree, the closest is a half 2nd cousin to you.

Richard
Sellens - Sussex
Newham - Surrey
Wellington - Dagenham, Essex
Camp - South Essex
Wren - Essex
Livermore - Essex
Wane - Essex
Fisk - Essex / Suffolk
Bailey/Bayley - Sussex
Newton - Sussex
Funnell - Sussex
Streeter - Sussex
Coates - Sussex
Maisey - Surrey

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Re: understanding Matches of matches knowing some connections
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 12 May 22 18:00 BST (UK) »
Thanks again Richard.

Just trying to get my head round half 2nd Cousins!

And so, (potentially) my highest paternal DNA match, VK and I have a shared relationship to Richard Kean (1832 - 1894) but not to his wife Frances Butler (1833 - 1873).

This is confusing, because I also have Butler DNA matches, and I assumed that these came via herÖ?

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Re: understanding Matches of matches knowing some connections
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 12 May 22 18:07 BST (UK) »
I didn't get my computer lesson so haven't attempted this yet .but at least I'm connected to WiFi now .
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Re: understanding Matches of matches knowing some connections
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 12 May 22 18:22 BST (UK) »
And so, (potentially) my highest paternal DNA match, VK and I have a shared relationship to Richard Kean (1832 - 1894) but not to his wife Frances Butler (1833 - 1873).

Actuall if i read your tree correctly, its Thomas Kean b1858 is your connection to VK, but not his wife Mary Ann Kay.  So your grandfather is a half sibling of Joseph Frederock Keane.

Richard
Sellens - Sussex
Newham - Surrey
Wellington - Dagenham, Essex
Camp - South Essex
Wren - Essex
Livermore - Essex
Wane - Essex
Fisk - Essex / Suffolk
Bailey/Bayley - Sussex
Newton - Sussex
Funnell - Sussex
Streeter - Sussex
Coates - Sussex
Maisey - Surrey

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Re: understanding Matches of matches knowing some connections
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 12 May 22 18:54 BST (UK) »
Thanks Richard,

I really appreciate your input.

Iíve been puzzling over this for so long that Iíve probably lost perspective 😵‍💫🙄.

Thomas Kean was born in 1858, my Grandfather William James Wilson in 1860.

Thomas Keanís son Joseph Frederick Kean is born in 1888. For my Grandfather to have been Joseph Frederick Keanís half sibling, he couldnít have been the son of Thomas Kean born in 1858?

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Re: understanding Matches of matches knowing some connections
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 12 May 22 19:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks Richard,

I really appreciate your input.

Iíve been puzzling over this for so long that Iíve probably lost perspective 😵‍💫🙄.

Thomas Kean was born in 1858, my Grandfather William James Wilson in 1860.

Thomas Keanís son Joseph Frederick Kean is born in 1888. For my Grandfather to have been Joseph Frederick Keanís half sibling, he couldnít have been the son of Thomas Kean born in 1858?

Romilly.

Agree, those dates make that impossible, so try removing that hypothosis, and see what the tool suggests instead.  Its one those areas, you you have to look at what it shows you, and then start removing the impossible options, in hope you end up with a few that make sense from both the DNA and the date side :-)

Richard
Sellens - Sussex
Newham - Surrey
Wellington - Dagenham, Essex
Camp - South Essex
Wren - Essex
Livermore - Essex
Wane - Essex
Fisk - Essex / Suffolk
Bailey/Bayley - Sussex
Newton - Sussex
Funnell - Sussex
Streeter - Sussex
Coates - Sussex
Maisey - Surrey

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Re: understanding Matches of matches knowing some connections
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 12 May 22 20:02 BST (UK) »

I'm going to have another go at this tomorrow, and see if I can make any sense of it...

I agree that there has to be a link to Thomas Kean, because I have a new DNA match who is his Great Granddaughter.

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