Request for help locating parents of Harriet Maria Brammer born in Fenton

[serveta]

Harriet Maria Brammer born 1849 in Fenton, Staffordshire

Unable to locate any definitive records for Charlotte or Samuel Brammer. Any help finding possible links to  Harriet would be greatly appreciated   

Birth Cert:
Born 5 April 1849 in Fenton, County of Stafford, Stoke upon Trent. Mother named as Charlotte Brammer, father not named

Marriage Cert:
1 April 1872 Middlesbrough to David Weepers. Harriett Maria Brammer aged 22 farther named as Samuel Brammer - deceased Coachman

1911 census:
Harriet M McKeever widow aged 61 birth place given as Fenton Near Newcastle Under Lyme, Staffordshire   

Kind Regards
Ron     

[CaroleW]

If Samuel is not named as her father then she made him up when she married.   Common amongst illegitimate children - made them appear "respectable"

[CaroleW]

1861 census for Spittals Workhouse Staffs - initials only - all surname Brammer & all b Fenton

Transcription says "mother M Ball"  but the image has nothing I can see to support that

The births below are all illegitimate - nothing for T Brammer

C - 37 - female - married
H - 10 - female
R - 6 - male (Ralph Cooper Brammer)
T - 4 - female
E 2 - female - (Edith Cooper Brammer) - Died Sept qtr 1861
RG9 Piece 1939 Folio 119 Page 4

[Ashtone]

Could this be mother Charlotte?

Staffordshire Advertiser
10 August 1861 (page 7)
"The officer went apprehend the defendant under a warrant obtained Charlotte Brammer for arrears on an order of affiliation, when the assault complained of was committed. Being unable to meet, the demands ..."

[CaroleW]

1871

Charlotte Brammer 48 widow b Fenton
Ralph Brammer    15    Son b Fenton
John Atherton 49    Visitor b Cheshire
Piece 2869 Folio 65 Page 23

Ralph Cooper Brammer married in Leeds in 1877

[MaureeninNY]

1851 census Ancestry:

 Piece: 2006; Folio: 297; Page: 16   
Name   Age
Ralph Brands   64
Charlotte Brands   46
Charlotte Brands   25  b Fenton
Harriette Maria Brands   2  b Fenton

Maureen

[Annette7]

Original page looks like it's supposed to read Brammer not Brands.   In 1841 Ralph and Charlotte transcribed as Brammer, 3 children (including Charlotte junior) transcribed as Branner (this is in Stoke Upon Trent).

Charlotte Brammer bp.20/10/1822 Stoke upon Trent, dau. of Ralph and Charlotte.

Annette

[trish1120]

Marriage;
03 Sep 1810 St Bartholomew, Norton-in-the-Moors
Ralph BRAMMER a bachelor, abode Stoke to Charlotte GARNER a spinster, abode Maer
Witnesses, Wm. STEEL/Thos. TWIGG
Bride and Groom made their mark thus X.
Above on FreeREG.

They Bapt;
Susannah 22 Sep 1811 (married Thomas BURTON 16 Apr 1843)
Caroline 26 Dec 1813 (father a servant)
Henry 24 Mar 1816 (father a coachman)
Daniel Ralph 16 May 1819 (father a labourer) buried 21 Feb 1850 age 31
Charlotte 20 Oct 1822 (father a gardener)
Surname spelt Brammer/Brammar

RALPH buried 20 Sep 1852 age 64 c 1788 GRO has him a Beamer
CHARLOTTE buried 04 Jul 1860 age 83 c 1777 GRO has 82


1841 we have;
Charlotte Brammer 55
Ralph Brammer 50
Henry Branner 25
Ralph Branner 20 (must be Daniel Ralph)
Charlotte Branner 15

[trish1120]

I think CHARLOTTE nee Garner was likely bapt 25 Dec 1782 Burslem to THOMAS/BETTY Garner
Sister SUSANNAH bapt same day

Marriage;
03 Dec 1780 St Mary, Bucknell
Betty BALL
Thomas GARNER

Another likely child;
Joshua Ball 11 Nov 1781

Have a look on FreeREG and see what you think