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Annotations to GRO birth index
« on: Friday 08 April 22 16:20 BST (UK) »
Can someone please explain what the and crossing out of page number annotations mean please? What does the '/S' mean ? the extract ifrom the 2nd quarter of the year

Thanks.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Annotations to GRO birth index
« Reply #1 on: Friday 08 April 22 20:54 BST (UK) »
S == SEPTEMBER QTR
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Re: Annotations to GRO birth index
« Reply #2 on: Friday 08 April 22 23:11 BST (UK) »
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S == SEPTEMBER QTR
true but the question was not about the quarter and was said extract " is from the 2nd quarter of the year"

FreeBMD info: What is the reason for a page number with a suffix letter S?
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/search-faq.html#pagesupplementary e.g. when a birth is re-registered.

Sometimes supplementary copies were also forwarded from the Local District to London to correct errors in spelling on the original much later eg when the child required a cert and spotted an error in their name and officially corrected making a Statutorary Declaration. https://www.gov.uk/correct-birth-registration The revised info has to be recorded both in the original local ledger and in GRO London/Southport's copy and a supplimentary form is sometimes used & appended. The FreeBMD index is to the London/Southport ledgers, not to the local ones.

other annotations can be late entries per further above in the FAQ What does 'see D/39' mean?
which refers you to https://www.freebmd.org.uk/late-entry-help.html

This looks like a relatively recent page. AntonyMMM ex Registrar may spot & explain.

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Re: Annotations to GRO birth index
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 09 April 22 08:31 BST (UK) »
Thank you.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON


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Re: Annotations to GRO birth index
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 09 April 22 13:43 BST (UK) »
Those FreeBMD help pages are very inaccurate.

An annotation such as D/69 would indicate a reference to a later registration i.e. "see the December quarter of 1969", which could be a because of a late entry, but more often is a re-registration of an earlier event.

The "S" reference, as far as I know, does indicate a later submission ( or supplementary), which would usually indicate a correction, or amendment, of some kind, but not a re-registration.

However, it is impossible to know the details from the index alone - a certificate ( sometimes more than one, if it is a re-registration)  is required.

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Re: Annotations to GRO birth index
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 09 April 22 14:00 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much. The entry I am most interested in is the second one down. Am I right then in thinking that an amendment was made, and now appears on p 11089 of the register? Would I order p 11089? I am assuming that as p 549 has been crossed out, I could not order it.

Thank you again, both. Interesting that the FindMyPast pages are inaccurate.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Annotations to GRO birth index
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 10 April 22 14:47 BST (UK) »
Thank you again, both. Interesting that the FindMyPast pages are inaccurate.

Don't forget that what FreeBMD, FindMyPast, and Ancestry have is their own transcription of the original GRO printed indexes. It was someone at the GRO which made the handwritten additions. That image is available on microfiche at numerous libraries.

If you order from the GRO with the number they wrote, they ought to be able to get the correct cert. However that writing doesn't look clear to me (is it a 5 or an 8?), so you may need to pay the extra to have them search for it. If you go through to the online order screen, it gives a phone number for ordering. They will probably advise you.

The GRO now have fresh, computerised, indexes for 1837-1934 and 1984-2020.
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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Re: Annotations to GRO birth index
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 10 April 22 16:25 BST (UK) »
OK thanks. The freebmd transcriber wrote 11089/S.;yes the image is unclear.

Good to know about being able to speak to someone and about the new indexes.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Annotations to GRO birth index
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 12 April 22 23:02 BST (UK) »
It could be something fairly trivial see the following Irish (UK pre-partition) examples with form S copies if that is what it implies.
One comes across them occasionally as all are free to view. [can just input 1,1, tick when asks for name]
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05925/4682619a.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05925/4682619.pdf
or this is a re-registration
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1920/01210/1503405a.pdf