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Offline deejayEn

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Help needed searching for ancestors in Wales
« on: Sunday 10 April 22 20:12 BST (UK) »
I am currently looking into the family of my maternal grandmothers family. Her stepfather David John Jeremy's parents both came from Wales, albeit different parts and I believe they met in London when they were both working here. He was born in 1877 in Shoreditch. I have traced his father back to Carnmarthenshire with relative sucess (although can't find him on the 1871 census in Wales or London) but his mother Mary Jones Owens (or Owen) b 1840-41 in Porthmadgog is proving harder to find. I can't see her on the censuses or any obvious birth records.

A newspaper cutting about heir marriage at the union chapel in Chelsea in 1874 mentions that her father was Evan Owen from Carregfelen near Porthmadog. This today appears to be a house connected to the Clough Williams-Ellis family so I would love to find out more. The cutting says she was living in Lancaster Gate when she married, was possibly working as a servant. Can anyone help?

Also would like to trace David Jeremy (born 1842 Llandovery) on the 1871 census as he was training to be a chemist but is aso later listed as a postmaster so I think he had a shop that was a chemist with a postal counter.

Lastly with regard to the Wales census records, are they incomplete or restricted in some way because some pages seem unable to be accessed.

Any help/advice would be greatly received.

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Re: Help needed searching for ancestors in Wales
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 10 April 22 21:42 BST (UK) »
perhaps Mary 'fibbed' a little about her age?

1841 census Carreg Felen, Ynyscynhaiarn HO107/1391/10 folio 20 pg 13 
Evan Owen 55 farmer
Dorothy 40
Mary 8
Owen 6
Jane 4
John 3

Baptism in Ynyscynhaiarn 22 Jan 1833 Mary daughter of Evan, farmer, & Dorothy Owen of Garregfelen.

Possible marriage 21 May 1830 in Treflys Evan Owen & Dorothy Owen

no Mary in 1851 or 1861

1851
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGDM-HP8

1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M729-MBS

I've never had that problem with census records in Wales and I've researched a lot in Welsh records.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Help needed searching for ancestors in Wales
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 10 April 22 22:25 BST (UK) »
Not sure if this is connected but there's a Mary Owen b c1840 in "Union Dy nr Tremadog" who's a servant in the household of Lady Llanover  in Llanover, Mpnmouthsire in 1871. I can't see she had a Lancaster Gate property though, although if it's your Mary, she could have changed the household she was working for between the census and marriage

Piece:    5311
Folio:    18
Page number:    12

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Re: Help needed searching for ancestors in Wales
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 10 April 22 22:43 BST (UK) »
Thanks to both of you, I will take a look at these records in detail. Can't see any reference to Porthmadog but they are in the right area of Wales.

I am using Ancestry found that some census records were not there or not complete but maybe I was doing somethnig wrong.

osprey - you may be right about Mary's age because when she died her age was more than it should have been.


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Re: Help needed searching for ancestors in Wales
« Reply #4 on: Monday 11 April 22 19:20 BST (UK) »
Ancestry's indexing of Welsh records is more than a bit unreliable. It often brings up results from the other end of the country.

The parish of Ynyscynhaiarn included Porthmadog & Tremadog
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CAE/YnysCynhaiarn

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Help needed searching for ancestors in Wales
« Reply #5 on: Monday 11 April 22 19:26 BST (UK) »
Ancestry have made rather a mess of the 1871 transcription, which doesn't help

Trouble is there's a Mary Owen(s) b c1840 in the Tremadog area who could be the one working for Lady Llanover - she's daughter of Thomas and Jane