New, Old topic. Still looking for my Holdsworth family line

[Rossdal3]

Hi all new and older members,

I posted in 2011 about trying to find my Holdsworth family. I can only trace them back to Charles Holdsworth born circa 1801 in Idle, according to the 1841 census. I descended through his son William, b. 1819 according to the paper trail. Charles appears in that census and doesn’t show again. No BDM paper trail, for Charles. We bought all death certificates for a Charles up to the 1851 census (he doesn’t appear on it). No marriage listing for William’s mother.  No birth listing for William.  I have William’s marriage certificate to Mary Gill.

Four years ago my sisters and I took DNA test of several different sites.  At this point we have become quite familiar with genetic genealogy, even helping adoptees to identify birth families, but we cannot solve the puzzle of our complete lack of DNA matches on our Holdsworth line. 

We have found multiple DNA matches to each of Mother’s family surnames back to Charles Henry Holdsworth, but we have nothing that proves genetically that William Holdsworth 1819 or Charles Holdsworth 1801 are linked.

I have one small DNA match with the surname Holdsworth, my middle sister has none at all and my youngest sister has two.  I am fresh out of ideas to continue my searching.  We don’t even have mystery groups of any significance, with DNA matches.  Any advice about how to proceed from here will be gratefully accepted.

Kind regards,
Jill Ross

[amondg]

Where did you get the middle name Henry from?

All records found so far just list him as Charles Holdsworth

[amondg]

Using the GRO index there are 2 Susannah Holdsworth registered Bradford

Susannah 1837 with mother's maiden name Hornby.

Susanah 1838 registered Bradford mother's maiden name Wilkinson

There is a death for a Susan Holdsworth age 1 1/2 buried 11 January 1840 abode Idle. Based on age I would say it's the 1838 child.

All other children are prior to civil registration.

The children could have 2 different mothers. There is a gap of 4 years between  Maria and Charles.
You know Charles and Harriet are the children of Charles and Mary from the baptisms.
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Was Charles a tenant farmer, are there records of his lease.
Was the farm put up for lease after his death. Check newspapers
 

[amondg]

At Otley on 24 July 1833 Charles Holdsworth - Farmer married Mary Hornby spinster

He could not write she signed her name, witness Thomas Cawood and Thomas Longfield.

Thomas Longfield signs many on the page so not a relative or close friend.

[Rossdal3]

Using the GRO index there are 2 Susannah Holdsworth registered Bradford

Susannah 1837 with mother's maiden name Hornby.

Susanah 1838 registered Bradford mother's maiden name Wilkinson

There is a death for a Susan Holdsworth age 1 1/2 buried 11 January 1840 abode Idle. Based on age I would say it's the 1838 child.

Thanks so much for your response!

Yes I have paper trail docs to Susannah, she was the daughter of Charles 1801 and Mary Hornby, who was Charles second wife.  William was born in 1819 and Charles and Mary Hornby were not married until 1833.

That is the main issue I face, the others are born before registrations.

All other children are prior to civil registration.

The children could have 2 different mothers. There is a gap of 4 years between  Maria and Charles.
You know Charles and Harriet are the children of Charles and Mary from the baptisms.


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Was Charles a tenant farmer, are there records of his lease.
Was the farm put up for lease after his death. Check newspapers
 

[Rossdal3]

Hi there,

I have Susannah’s death certificate. She died in 1858 age 20 years.  Her Mother died 1-2 months after she was born in 1838.

Thanks

[Rossdal3]

Where did you get the middle name Henry from?

All records found so far just list him as Charles Holdsworth

The Charles Henry Holdsworth I refer to was my Gt Gt Grandfather, the son of William Holdsworth.  he was born in 1849 in Bradford, the eldest of 5 children. He married Mary Gill, who we have multiple DNA matches through, but nothing through Charles Henry.

[Calverley Lad]

Morning Jill!
Still chasing the Holdsworths then.
So for the benefit of new readers here is what we are looking at.
Piece HO 107/1298/7 ED11 Folios 32 - 36 Enumerator William Johnson
Simpson Green    Idle
        HOLDSWORTH    Charles    40    Farmer    
     HOLDSWORTH    William    20    Wool Comber    
     HOLDSWORTH    Thomas    20    Wool Comber    
     HOLDSWORTH    Mary    18    Wool Comber    
     HOLDSWORTH    Ann            15         
     HOLDSWORTH    Maria    10         
     HOLDSWORTH    Charles    6         
     HOLDSWORTH    Harriet    5         
     HOLDSWORTH    Susannah    3         
     HOLDSWORTH    Jonas    45    Cart Driver    
 Brian

[amondg]

So your William had a different mother than Charles, Harriet and Susannah.

Is Maria perhaps the daughter of Jonas
bap 27 July 1831 of Jonas and Hannah at Bradford