Still Looking for Thomas Williams

[osprey]

1841 census for John

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M77S-QNF

The abode does look like that on the census but it makes no sense. Looking at a map, I wonder if it's a very bad attempt at Bryneirion which was in between Tan-y-foel and Parc-ymryson, the 2 house names either side of the census entry.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rnp/

 

[osprey]

The Mary from the 1841 census in 1851, next household but one to David Williams, tailor, married to Anne Thomas.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGZM-P95

The household in between is
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGZM-P9T

Non-conformist baptism at Glynarthen Independent 8 Feb 1829 Mary daughter of John Richard, labourer, & Sarah formerly James of Rhydypentre

Could they be related to Margaret?

[Talacharn]

Thanks, I have only recently found this connection, so trying to make sense of the Williams families is difficult. John Williams, the father of Thomas must be somewhere in one of families. The 1841 census does not give much information, though better than nothing. I do not know that area, but on maps it seems a small hamlet. With Williams being a common name, I feel these are all related. I need to spend some time trying to map the families.

[Talacharn]

The household between is interesting with Sara Richard.
Is she the mother of Margaret Richard, the mother of Thomas?
It is a distinctive way of spelling Richard(s) and only seems to be in that area.
There are so many things that fit together, I must be in the right area.

[Annette7]

Going back to the beginning of this thread - you say you've found Thomas in 1881, 1901 and 1911.   I can only find him in 1881 with any certain.   Can you give details so I can find him on the other 2 census?

Annette

[Talacharn]

I know these census records relate to the right Thomas Williams from newspaper articles about his estranged wife needing money and taking their son to court for maintenance.

1901 Census: 10 Upper Water Street, Llanelly (Common Boarding House)
Charles Mcdonald . Head . Male . 55 . Ireland Dublin
Eliza Mcdonald . Servant . Female . 54 . Oswestry, Salop
James Scott . Boarder . Male . 33 . Scotland Perth
Fred Barlow . Boarder . Male . 55 . Town N K, Lancashire
Michel Sullivan . Boarder . Male . 31 . Glous'Ter, Gloucestershire
Richard Roberts . Boarder . Male . 74 . Conwil, Carmarthenshire
James Phillips . Boarder . Male . 61 . Tenby, Pembrokeshire
Daniel Sullivan . Boarder . Male . 61 . Ireland Co Kerry
Thomas Williams . Male . 63 . Married . Boarder . Navvy . Newcastle Emlyn . Both (Eng/Cym)
William Roberts . Boarder . Male . 77 . Pwllheli, Carmarthenshire
John Bowen . Boarder . Male . 50 . Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
John King . Boarder . Male . 58 . Ireland
John Davies . Boarder . Male . 73 . New Church, Carmarthenshire
Thomas Sweeny . Boarder . Male . 63 . Aberystwyth, Cardiganshire
Schedule 87 . Page 16

1911 Census: Llanelly Union Workhouse . Swansea Road
Thomas Williams . Inmate . Male . Married . 76 . Formerly Haulier . Newcastle Emlyn . Both (Eng/Cym)
RG14 . Folio 12 . Page 4 . GBC/1911/RG14/32867/0012/20

[Talacharn]

In the article it says he was in the Llanelly Workhouse, and an article of a report from the workhouse says he was absconding.

All census records for them, give very different ages and birth years. From the most reliable in 1881, he was 2 years younger than his wife, who I know was born in 1834. Therefore, he was born in 1836, in Newcastle Emlyn, Cardiganshire, so that side of the river. The marriage certificate in 1855, says his father was John Williams a Labourer.

It may not be the right Thomas Williams, but he is the closest I can find. Born 1836, Cardiganshire side of the river, but still regarded as Newcastle Emlyn, with father John Williams and a Labourer. I am asking, with a hope of finding more information to prove, or disprove my theory. It is a shame the 1861 census is missing, as that could have provided more information.

This is the family without Thomas:
1871 Census: 7 Gosport Street . Laugharne
Margaret Williams . Head . Married . 34 . Mariners Wife . Llansadwrnen
Esther Williams . Daughter . Single . 14 . Laugharne
Elizabeth Williams . Daughter . 6 . Scholar . Laugharne
Margaret Williams . Daughter . 4 . Scholar . Laugharne
Thomas Williams . Son . 2 . Laugharne
GBC/1871/5495/0018

[osprey]

Talacharn, I think Sarah might be too young to be Margaret's mother. 1851 census gives her birth as 1787/8 and Margaret was born c.1806. Her neighbour in 1851 & 1861, and close by in 1841, is Daniel Richards who may be a brother and his birth is 1800/1.

 

[Talacharn]

Osprey
I agree. Somehow most will be related.
Daniel Richard is familiar, so I need to find him.

Annette
This is what I have regarding the family:

1891 Census: Frog Street . Laugharne
Margaret Williams . Head . Married . Female . 64 (1827) . Carmarthenshire . Cockle Gatherer
Thomas Williams . Son . Male . 20 . Carmarthenshire . Cockle Merchant
John Williams . Son . Male . 13 . Carmarthenshire . Cockle Gatherer
RG12 . Folio 4516 . 48 . Page 5

1901 Census: Frog Street . Laugharne (Township)
Margaret Williams . Head . Female . 72 (1829) . Llansadurnen, Carmarthenshire . Cockle Gatherer
Schedule Type 23 . Page 4

Margaret died in 1908. I have all the information about her, but in following my paternal line, Thomas is being difficult. Carmarthenshire Archives do not hold any information for Thomas while at the workhouse. From the newspaper article of 18th October 1901, he was absconding, so he must have been admitted sometime after the 1901 census. I cannot find him in 1891. He may be living in Laugharne and away from home, though there are possible records in Llanelly. And without an accurate age, there are several deaths that loosely fit, but I do not want to buy all to find him. His death was not reported.

John Williams is named on the marriage certificate, not as deceased, so he may be on the 1841 and 1851 censuses. Though being illegitimate, would Thomas know if he was alive or not?