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Re: The Royal Chelsea Hospital and pensions:
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 23 April 22 13:22 BST (UK) »
Previously I noted 3 children of Richard & Jane, but I now think that there was a 4th child, Peter, named after Richard’s father? There’s a bit of a gap, and the Abode has changed from Atherton to Leigh.

Baptisms at the Protestant Dissenting Chapel, Chowbent
From Lancashire Online Parish Clerk
https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

Parents = Richard & Jane Hampson

1821 Dec 17 birth John Hampson – baptised 1824 Apr 18, Abode = Atherton
1824 Apr 3 birth Faith Hampson – baptised 1824 Apr 18, Abode = Atherton
1824 Nov 28 burial Faith Hampson aged 7 mo – Daughter of Richd Hampson & Jane
Abode = Atherton, burial in Atherton, St. John the Baptist
1825 Nov 10 birth Faith Hampson – baptised 1825 Nov 27, Abode = Atherton
1831 Mar 28 birth Peter Hampson – baptised 1831 Sep 1, Abode = Leigh

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Re. daughter Faith Hampson:
I wonder what you make of the following?

(Quoting freely available records)

from Lancashire opc:
Baptism: 27 Nov 1825 Protestant Dissenting Chapel Chowbent, Atherton, Lancashire, England
Faith Hampson - [Child] of Rd. Hampson & Jane
Born: 10 Nov 1825
Abode: Atherton

from Family Search, 1851 Census:
Name   Faith Hampson
Sex   Female
Age   24
Event Date   1851
Event Place   Bedford, Lancashire, England
Registration District   Leigh
Residence Note   Water Street
Birth Year (Estimated)   1827
Birthplace   Egypt British Subject
Marital Status   Unmarried
Occupation   Power Loom Weaver Silk
Relationship to Head of Household   Lodger
Event Type   Census
Page Number   48
Piece/Folio   2204 / 368
Registration Number   HO107

With her son, John, named after her older brother?

Name   John Hampson
Sex   Male
Age   5
Event Date   1851
Event Place   Bedford, Lancashire, England
Registration District   Leigh
Residence Note   Water Street
Birth Year (Estimated)   1846
Birthplace   Leigh, Lancashire
Occupation   Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household   Lodger
Event Type   Census
Page Number   48
Piece/Folio   2204 / 368
Registration Number   HO107

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/8860/?name=faith_hampson&count=50&name_x=1_psx

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Death from Lancashire BMD (Preston Reg. District)
HAMPSON   Faith, aged 30, 1862, sub-district  Preston

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Are these 3 the same person? It is a rare name. The ages don’t match perfectly, but the 1851 Census is for Leigh, the correct neighbourhood.

What about:
1841?
1861?

Born in Egypt?
Was she just having a laugh? Or is it some horrendous transcription error from notes taken by the enumerator?

Or did the family actually live in Egypt from when she was a little girl? Is that possible?

Since the words British Subject are clearly written, it seems to suggest that it was written in a serious manner.

Any thoughts?
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Re: The Royal Chelsea Hospital and pensions:
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 23 April 22 13:28 BST (UK) »
Good afternoon UKgirl…, sorry for my absence.

Lol…, pleased my thread served for something other than a simple Court-Martial and a Waterloo Medal. 
I must admit that I’m well out of my depth here.  You, Rosie, Shaun and others obviously see a problem…, but if I had opened that ‘Select Deaths and Burials,’ I would have jumped to the conclusion that Guardsman Richard Hampson had a father called Richard…, and he died (“abt”) just before son Richard was born.  Mother Faith would then have been alone and accepted the advances of Peter Spenser. 
Doubly confusing since you’ve found errors. 

In the draft reply I made yesterday (which I’ve since binned) and concerning Ancestry’s ‘hint’ concerning Faith’s death, it was not 8 Apr 1796…, but 30 Nov 1794. (father Edward, archive roll 970 – Burial place - Denton, St. Lawrence, Parish Church)

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Re: The Royal Chelsea Hospital and pensions:
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 23 April 22 13:57 BST (UK) »
Hello Iain,

Re. death of mother Faith in 1796:

See Reply #15

I think that my notes regarding the death of mother Faith in 1796 still hold.
I think that it is logical, albeit the explanation is a bit convoluted.

I think that Ancestry has the "father's name" as Margaret Wilson.

Perhaps on Ancestry you could correct Margaret Wilson to Margaret Allred? That would be helpful.

Anyway, burial of Faith Hampson, daughter of Margaret Allred.
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Re: The Royal Chelsea Hospital and pensions:
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 23 April 22 14:27 BST (UK) »
Previously I noted 3 children of Richard & Jane, but I now think that there was a 4th child, Peter, named after Richard’s father? There’s a bit of a gap, and the Abode has changed from Atherton to Leigh.

Any thoughts?

Thank you UKgirl...  I'll need an hour or two to get my head around it.  Thanks for all that work.  I'll get back to you..., Iain. 
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Re: The Royal Chelsea Hospital and pensions:
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 23 April 22 15:08 BST (UK) »
Previously I noted 3 children of Richard & Jane, but I now think that there was a 4th child, Peter,
Any thoughts?

UKgirl…, just a quick ‘FYI.’ 
Richard was in the Light Company of the ‘Scots Guards.’ (3rd regiment of Foot Guards)  His Sergeant was Ralph Fraser and was one of the most decorated soldiers in the British Army, then moved on to become one of Queen Victoria’s Almsman at Westminster Abbey.  Twice wounded, and the first wound in the leg was in Egypt. 
Of course, Faith was born well after Richard’s demob.  However, as a weaver, could Ralph’s ‘lamp swinging’ over a cup of gin have pushed his commercial activities to the souks near the pyramids ?   Lol…, scraping the barrel a bit there.  Nonetheless, I’ll have a browse through the BNA.  It would be nice to find him there. 

During the Battle of Waterloo, I am certain that he was a walking-wounded.  My Regiment is a character-building machine, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he became an entrepreneur.  Lol…, at nearly 75, I still have a VAT number. 
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Re: The Royal Chelsea Hospital and pensions:
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 23 April 22 15:48 BST (UK) »
This is Sgt. Fraser...   Matthew Clay was Richard's friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dqbh4tqXSM

Quite a few errors, but nonetheless amusing.

The Light Company was divided into two platoons.  Richard was in the assault platoon, while Matthew was in the support platoon.  Those who didn't die in the assault platoon, were nearly all Courts-Martialled. (scapegoats for a Lieutenant Colonel)
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« Reply #24 on: Saturday 23 April 22 15:56 BST (UK) »
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