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Patrick Doyle lost at sea
« on: Wednesday 20 April 22 10:34 BST (UK) »
Following up on a post last year, I have been able to establish that Patrick my great great grandfather, Patrick Doyle, died on October 25/26 1859 when his ship, the Royal Charter, sank in a storm near Moelfre off the coast of Anglesey. I got this information from the ship's return document - Account of Foreign Going Ship to be delivered to the Shipping Master at [Liverpool].  He was about 38 years old and married to Bridget. They lived in Upper Wolfe street (or Woolf Street) at the time.
I have searched GRO for a death record, using both Anglesey and Liverpool District of Death criteria. I have also looked at newspaper archives but with no success. Any thoughts on where else I could look for a certificate would be greatly appreciated. I'm presuming there was a certificate somewhere as the 1861 census says that Bridget was then a widow.

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Re: Patrick Doyle lost at sea
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 20 April 22 10:43 BST (UK) »
The reference is on Findmypast, you need to look under British Armed Forces and Overseas deaths, it covers deaths at Sea, he is listed there.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Patrick Doyle lost at sea
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 20 April 22 10:55 BST (UK) »
British Armed Forces and deaths at sea.
Patrick Doyle
Archive BT 53
Year 1859 Box 003
26 October 1859 page 361
Place Royal Charter
Type At sea.
Home port Liverpool.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Patrick Doyle lost at sea
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 20 April 22 15:39 BST (UK) »
Is that record in lieu of a normal death certificate?

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Re: Patrick Doyle lost at sea
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 20 April 22 16:30 BST (UK) »
The source reference is BT153 not BT53. It's the Board of Trade's Register Of Wages And Effects Of Deceased Seamen.

I think I am right in saying that in the circumstances of a ship being lost at sea there was no requirement to register the deaths of those who did not survive. 
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Re: Patrick Doyle lost at sea
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 20 April 22 17:57 BST (UK) »
Hi

This is connection to previous post, where advise and connections were given

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=851470.18
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Re: Patrick Doyle lost at sea
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 21 April 22 22:55 BST (UK) »
Was his body ever recovered? If not maybe that is why there is no death reg.

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Re: Patrick Doyle lost at sea
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 21 April 22 23:34 BST (UK) »
A bit about the ship and her sinking here.
Researching Penge, Anerley, (including the Crystal Palace) and neighbouring parts of Beckenham, currently in London (Bromley), formerly Surrey and/or Kent.

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Re: Patrick Doyle lost at sea
« Reply #8 on: Friday 22 April 22 03:04 BST (UK) »
Even if his body was recovered, he may not have been identified.

This link shows an example of the death regs. from that ship, with a link to Anglesey archives at the bottom:

https://www.peoplescollection.wales/items/44470
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