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Need help deciphering 4 French words in a letter
« on: Tuesday 26 April 22 03:07 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I am adding two snippets from a French letter written in New Orleans 1802 to partners in Bordeaux.  I've translated the entire letter except for 4 words, which are highlighted in the two snippets.  These are words that are unknown to me and I'm having trouble deciphering the letters in each of the words.  Any help is greatly appreciated. 

Thank you.
CRN-Hocking
DVN-Bickle.Doble.Harris.Hill.Nrthcte
KEN-Austen.Bodeker.Collard.Dodd.Duncan.Eaton.Gregry.Hammnd.Herman.Hills.Hodgs.Ivysn.
James.Kemp.Milstd.Nut.Owlet.Ruck.Spilet.Terry.Tilby.Thmsn.Walker
SOM-Baker.Clatworthy.Linton.Parker.Smith.Stone.Twose
ABD-Barclay.Cruickshank.McKenzie.Shepherd.Club
LKS-Douglas.Gunn.Turner
MLN-Dicks/Dickson.Duff.Lindsay.Young
SHI-Bain.Cluness.Fordyce.Gray.Petrie
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Re: Need help deciphering 4 French words in a letter
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 26 April 22 08:31 BST (UK) »
extract2

piastres

a unit of currency, probably referring to dollars

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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 April 22 08:39 BST (UK) »
Is the context a ship’s trade journey? The first word looks like ‘fleuve’ (river), the second is definitely ‘piastres’ (the currency; Wikipedia indicates it was used as the term for US dollars around this time), and the third and fourth must be divisions of the piastre, because of the number ‘six’. I’m not sure of the terminology but hope someone else may have the historical knowledge.

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Re: Need help deciphering 4 French words in a letter
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 26 April 22 09:01 BST (UK) »
Six reaux e demie
(= plural of real)


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Re: Need help deciphering 4 French words in a letter
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 26 April 22 12:47 BST (UK) »
Hi, could you upload a bit more of the first one to maybe help with the context ? TVM
(1) Janions of Cheshire, Lancashire, Hawaii, Vancouver and Seattle.
(2) Gregorys of Tarporley, Cheshire.
(3) Pughs of 'The New Pale' near Frodsham and Delamere in Cheshire.
(4) Nevills of Llanelly, Llangennech and Felinfoel.
(5) Yaldens of Ovington/Lovington in Hampshire.

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Re: Need help deciphering 4 French words in a letter
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 26 April 22 19:02 BST (UK) »
Hi still_looking

Thank you so very much for your contribution to help clear my conundrum.  Your contribution got the ball rolling on conquering the mystery words in the second extract.  Yes, a 'piastres' was a unit of currency used in Spanish-America and was composed of 8 'reals', like our dollar is composed of 100 cents.


extract2

piastres

a unit of currency, probably referring to dollars

S_L
CRN-Hocking
DVN-Bickle.Doble.Harris.Hill.Nrthcte
KEN-Austen.Bodeker.Collard.Dodd.Duncan.Eaton.Gregry.Hammnd.Herman.Hills.Hodgs.Ivysn.
James.Kemp.Milstd.Nut.Owlet.Ruck.Spilet.Terry.Tilby.Thmsn.Walker
SOM-Baker.Clatworthy.Linton.Parker.Smith.Stone.Twose
ABD-Barclay.Cruickshank.McKenzie.Shepherd.Club
LKS-Douglas.Gunn.Turner
MLN-Dicks/Dickson.Duff.Lindsay.Young
SHI-Bain.Cluness.Fordyce.Gray.Petrie
ASSISTANCE PROVIDED HERE IS FROM MY OWN DIRECT EXPERIENCE & NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS LEGAL ADVICE

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Re: Need help deciphering 4 French words in a letter
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 26 April 22 19:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Ili1133

Thank you so very much for deciphering the word 'fleuve' and for your inclusion of the explanation of 'piastres'.  For the life of me I just could not figure out 'fleuve' but it definitely makes perfect sense as this letter was acknowledging that a ship had arrived at New Orleans.  When I added the translation from Bookbox on the remaining words after "660 piastres" and did a little more digging, I discovered that one 'piastres' was composed of 8 'reals'.  So, this section reads "600 piastres six reals issued".  We would say, e.g. 'x dollars and 6 cents' paid.


Is the context a ship’s trade journey? The first word looks like ‘fleuve’ (river), the second is definitely ‘piastres’ (the currency; Wikipedia indicates it was used as the term for US dollars around this time), and the third and fourth must be divisions of the piastre, because of the number ‘six’. I’m not sure of the terminology but hope someone else may have the historical knowledge.
CRN-Hocking
DVN-Bickle.Doble.Harris.Hill.Nrthcte
KEN-Austen.Bodeker.Collard.Dodd.Duncan.Eaton.Gregry.Hammnd.Herman.Hills.Hodgs.Ivysn.
James.Kemp.Milstd.Nut.Owlet.Ruck.Spilet.Terry.Tilby.Thmsn.Walker
SOM-Baker.Clatworthy.Linton.Parker.Smith.Stone.Twose
ABD-Barclay.Cruickshank.McKenzie.Shepherd.Club
LKS-Douglas.Gunn.Turner
MLN-Dicks/Dickson.Duff.Lindsay.Young
SHI-Bain.Cluness.Fordyce.Gray.Petrie
ASSISTANCE PROVIDED HERE IS FROM MY OWN DIRECT EXPERIENCE & NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS LEGAL ADVICE

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Re: Need help deciphering 4 French words in a letter
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 26 April 22 19:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Bookbox,

Thank you so very much for adding your contribution to my help clear my conundrum.  With the addition of the "piastres" from Ili1133 and still_looking, and the further digging I did to discover what a "real" was from your contribution, I've now been able to complete the translation of this letter.


Six reaux e demie
(= plural of real)
CRN-Hocking
DVN-Bickle.Doble.Harris.Hill.Nrthcte
KEN-Austen.Bodeker.Collard.Dodd.Duncan.Eaton.Gregry.Hammnd.Herman.Hills.Hodgs.Ivysn.
James.Kemp.Milstd.Nut.Owlet.Ruck.Spilet.Terry.Tilby.Thmsn.Walker
SOM-Baker.Clatworthy.Linton.Parker.Smith.Stone.Twose
ABD-Barclay.Cruickshank.McKenzie.Shepherd.Club
LKS-Douglas.Gunn.Turner
MLN-Dicks/Dickson.Duff.Lindsay.Young
SHI-Bain.Cluness.Fordyce.Gray.Petrie
ASSISTANCE PROVIDED HERE IS FROM MY OWN DIRECT EXPERIENCE & NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS LEGAL ADVICE

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Re: Need help deciphering 4 French words in a letter
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 26 April 22 19:07 BST (UK) »
Hi, SiGr

Thank you so very much for jumping in.  With the assistance of the Bookbox, Ili1133, and still_looking I've managed to make sense of the unfamiliar words and finish the translation.  You had asked about the context of the first word "fleuve".  I can say that the context relates to the arrival of a ship at New Orleans.  Unfortunately, I don't have a precise location in the city but would know that there would have to be a port available for disembarkation.


Hi, could you upload a bit more of the first one to maybe help with the context ? TVM
CRN-Hocking
DVN-Bickle.Doble.Harris.Hill.Nrthcte
KEN-Austen.Bodeker.Collard.Dodd.Duncan.Eaton.Gregry.Hammnd.Herman.Hills.Hodgs.Ivysn.
James.Kemp.Milstd.Nut.Owlet.Ruck.Spilet.Terry.Tilby.Thmsn.Walker
SOM-Baker.Clatworthy.Linton.Parker.Smith.Stone.Twose
ABD-Barclay.Cruickshank.McKenzie.Shepherd.Club
LKS-Douglas.Gunn.Turner
MLN-Dicks/Dickson.Duff.Lindsay.Young
SHI-Bain.Cluness.Fordyce.Gray.Petrie
ASSISTANCE PROVIDED HERE IS FROM MY OWN DIRECT EXPERIENCE & NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS LEGAL ADVICE