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Jacob and Hannah/Anna Maria Thomas
« on: Wednesday 25 May 22 17:40 BST (UK) »
My mother and i are coming to Mountain Ash in June.
We are visiting Aberffrwd cemetery to see Jacob's grave, we have found the receipt for the grave, died March 1921.
We are unable to find Hannah/Anna Maria who we think died Apr-June 1921. Unable to find more Info.
We know their eldest daughter Laura married Alfred Sale.
their eldest son was my great grandfather, william Henry.
John, in 1911 census was with the family and down as married. We think his grandson was called Raymond as mum remember her dad saying his cousin named the son after him.
Jacob married elizabeth evans and they had Lorraine - who my mum remembers visiting. Lived at the triangle.
Any ideas where to look for more information or anyone who knows anything greatly appreciated.

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Re: Jacob and Hannah/Anna Maria Thomas
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 25 May 22 18:01 BST (UK) »
Do you have Jacob’s death certificate which might say if he was a widower. Wouldn’t they be buried together? Whoever registered the death might help too, to give a timeframe. Have you looked on the 1921 census?

Who are John, Jacob and Elizabeth Evans?
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Jacob and Hannah/Anna Maria Thomas
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 25 May 22 21:47 BST (UK) »
Do you have Jacob’s death certificate which might say if he was a widower. Wouldn’t they be buried together? Whoever registered the death might help too, to give a timeframe. Have you looked on the 1921 census?

Who are John, Jacob and Elizabeth Evans?
john and Jacob are sons, Elizabeth is a daughter-in-law

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Re: Jacob and Hannah/Anna Maria Thomas
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 25 May 22 22:09 BST (UK) »
You could contact the council who manage the cemetery where Jacob is buried and see if they can help. 
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....


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Re: Jacob and Hannah/Anna Maria Thomas
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 25 May 22 22:24 BST (UK) »
Hi

Your post is confusing as you don't give surnames so we don't know whether you are talking about children of Jacob & Elizabeth

You don't give any birthyears

Is this Jacob's death reg so we know his age?  What date in March did he die?

Deaths March qtr  1921
THOMAS    Jacob    79    Pontypridd    11a    660

Did he have a son Arthur born around 1875?  If so - Jacob was a widower in 1911.  If that is the right 1911 entry - Jacob was born Walwyns Castle Pembrokeshire

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We are unable to find Hannah/Anna Maria who we think died Apr-June 1921. Unable to find more Info.

Hannah/Anna Maria who?  No surname or age given?  What is her connection to Jacob?



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Re: Jacob and Hannah/Anna Maria Thomas
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 25 May 22 22:49 BST (UK) »
1901 census

Jacob Thomas    59 b Wallwy Castle Pembrokeshire,
Maria    64 b Lambston Pembrokeshire
Arthur     26 b Ystradyfodwg Glamorgan
Thomas H 24 b Ystradyfodwg
RG13 Piece 5016 Folio 74 Page 41

In 1871/1881 & 1891 she is Maria

Marriages March qtr 1862

Roberts    Maria Haverfordwest    11a   789    
Thomas    Jacob Haverfordwest    11a   789

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We know their eldest daughter Laura married Alfred Sale.

They do not have a daughter Laura and there is no marriage of an Alfred Sale to a Laura Thomas so whose daughter are you referring to?

Possible death for Maria

Deaths Dec qtr 1910   
Thomas    Maria    78    Pontypridd    11a   357
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Re: Jacob and Hannah/Anna Maria Thomas
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 25 May 22 23:36 BST (UK) »
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We know their eldest daughter Laura married Alfred Sale.

They do not have a daughter Laura and there is no marriage of an Alfred Sale to a Laura Thomas so whose daughter are you referring to?


Is this the marriage?

25 May 1891 Llanhilleth, Monmouthshire, Wales
Laura Jane Thomas age 21  Father:    Jacob Thomas
Spouse:    Alfred Sales

1871c
Piece:   2303
Folio:   46
Page number:   31
Jacob Thomas 26   Head Sithney, Cornwall
Hannah Thomas 21   Wife
Laura J Thomas   9/12   Daughter Somerset

Edit to add 1891 census

Piece:   4351
Folio:   51
Page Number:   6
Jacob Thomas   44 Sithney, Cornwall
Hannah M Thomas   42
Laura Thomas   20 Cheddar Somerset
William H Thomas   19
John Thomas   13
Eliza A Thomas   9
Jacob Thomas   3
Alfred Sales 21 Pershore, Worcestershire
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Re: Jacob and Hannah/Anna Maria Thomas
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 25 May 22 23:46 BST (UK) »
If that is the right census with Laura then he can't be the Pontypridd death & must be the 73yr old died March qtr 1921 RD Newtown Monmouthshire (posted on Glamorgan board)

Rachel

Can you clarify how old Jacob was when he died & what was his address?
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Re: Jacob and Hannah/Anna Maria Thomas
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 25 May 22 23:58 BST (UK) »
1911 Jacob Thomas age 65 born Sithney Cornwall wife Hannah, sons
William, John (married) & son Jacob are living in Mountain Ash

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