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Henry James Ferry born in portsmouth/london/england 1863 (jan - sept)
parents   william (was an engineer) and mary anne ferry (born Hurst)
mary miller born in auckland divorced (hearling)
robert and isabella millar (born Young)
henry ferry is my great grandfather (1863) but i cant connect him back to england or his parents or find them on any census etc in england  any help

i have certificates
marriage cert - 11 sept 1900  he is 37 bootmaker birthplace says portsmouth
                                marriage to mary hearling (born millar) in Auckland New Zealand

birth cert of his son henry james ferry who is my grandfather -
 birth cert - 6 jan 1906 he is 41  still a bootmaker  auckland

death cert of daughter Ruby   6 nov 1937  he is a farmer in waikato
death cert of henry himself dec 1940 he is 84 but this is impossible (i say he is 77 years old)
         says he came here from england 70 years before but this is all memory of someone else

need help maybe to confirm with census or something similar. perhaps when he came to New Zealand. any info on his Parents William and Mary anne  Ferry (born Hurst)

i have included a picture of henry and his wife mary far left

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Re: henry james ferry & mary ferry (born millar) help find Mr Ferry and his parents
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 01 June 22 04:40 BST (UK) »

These are the documents you have?. 

Can you please list all the information on the two documents.

BDM NZ
marriage
1900/3451   Henry James   FERRY  marr.  Mary   HEARLING

death
1940/17513   FERRY   Henry James   84Y

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Re: henry james ferry & mary ferry (born millar) help find Mr Ferry and his parents
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 01 June 22 07:37 BST (UK) »
death cert
name henry james ferry
occupation  farmer
sex age   m     84
name of father/ mother     ferry
where born   london england
how long in new zealand   70 years
where married auckland
at what age     39
to whom     mary millar    what age 39
age  now 70     
if any issue  m         44   
when buried 14 dec  1940

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Re: henry james ferry & mary ferry (born millar) help find Mr Ferry and his parents
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 01 June 22 11:15 BST (UK) »
Reply #35 from Wivenhoe on your previous thread

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=862004.27



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1913/6794   FERRY Albert Edward                      parents    Mary / Henry James   
birth 18 July 1896

This is a 1913 registration for 1896 birth. Depending on what you see on the 1906 birth record, this 1913 registration might be the best chance to see what is recorded for father's origins.

I think you are going to have to make your way through the children’s birth certificates looking for some definitive information. No one ever said Genealogy was a cheap hobby, or straight forward!


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Re: henry james ferry & mary ferry (born millar) help find Mr Ferry and his parents
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 01 June 22 12:33 BST (UK) »
mary was still married to chrisstopher hearling up until 1899. although christopher hearling accussed henry and mary of having an affair it was denied. Mr Ferry was a boarder at the hearlings who already had 5 children from 1890 to 1894  ....last 1 being margaret. it would mean that hearling was taking care of mr ferrys child for 4 years. Mary was busy almost every year having a child with hearling.
i kind of agree i may get more info thru the other kids.... but i assume i get much the same as my grandfather henry cert which mentioned his age occupation and the street he lived in. but at some point i was going to try Ruby birth cert.

just a side thing ....can anybody read the name at the bottom of this birthcert looks like a d and ends with ton   ........i was guessing newton ........there was a york street 5 to 10 mins away

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Re: henry james ferry & mary ferry (born millar) help find Mr Ferry and his parents
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 01 June 22 12:55 BST (UK) »
Yes Newton.

I thought it had been explained on your other thread why that 1913 birth registration for the 1896 birth might be interesting.

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Re: henry james ferry & mary ferry (born millar) help find Mr Ferry and his parents
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 01 June 22 13:07 BST (UK) »
the following is a story to that over three days in the courts

Destitute Persons Act. —Christopher Heading was summoned under the Destitute Persons Act ou two charges, one of deserting j his wife, aud the second of deserting his three children on the 16th inst., and leaving them without adequate means of support. Mr. O'Meagher appeared for the accused, who pleaded not guilty. Mr. Brassey appeared for the plaintiff. It appeared from the evidence of the plaintiff, Mary Hearling, that j they had been married five years, and had had . frequent disputes. On Tuesday defendant had been scandalising her character, and he j told her to pack up his things and he would go away. She refused, and she spoke to him about the rent. He said lie would sell the furniture which had been made over to his mother three months ago. A mau named Ferry had been lodging with them, and he at first paid 10s a week, besides bringing things to the house, and he afterwards paid 16s, besides which he mended the children's shoes for nothing. She, in the course of examination, said she had found her husband in Sarah Home's brothel, with a woman, ou the 9th November, 1892, two hours and a-half before her child was born, and she left her bed to go there. On Tuesday last her husband threw a brush at her, and struck her on the leg. She then went to Mrs. Hart's, and he sent the key to her, and on her return, she found the house nearly empty. Defendant told her on Friday, that the furniture was at his mother's. Her husband used to iro oystering, and in the season he was employed at the wool stores. He had not been in employment recently, but he did not look for work. He had frequently threatened to take his life, and on Monday last he said he would cut his throat, and she saw him sharpening a razor in the kitchen. On one occasion (which it transpired was about three years ago) he had lain down on the floor with a table knife up his sleeve, and she had to go to the Rescue Home. She had been living with a friend at Remuera, and her husband, who had taken the two eldest '■ children, asked her to go back to him, but she refused, as she was afraid to live with him. She did not think he was a proper person to have charge of the children, and she asked for their custody, and an order to allow her maintenance for them and herself. She denied that there had been any impropriety with Ferry, or anyone else, on her part, but her husband on Tuesday had accused her of her infant child belonging to Ferry, also of having a fancy man in town. The witness was closely cross-examined as to her relationship with Ferry, and from her statement the man had displayed a most remarkable platonic friendship for her. At the close of her evidence the magistrate adjourned the further hearing of the case till 9.30 o'clock on Monday morning.



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Re: henry james ferry & mary ferry (born millar) help find Mr Ferry and his parents
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 01 June 22 13:09 BST (UK) »
part 2
[Before Mr. 11. W. Nortlicroffc, S.M.]

Destitute Person's Act.—Hearlino v. Hearlino.— hearing of this case, which had been partly heard on Saturday, was resumed at the S.M. Court yesterday before Mr. H. \V. Northcroft, S.M. There were two charges against the accused, one of desertiug his three children, and the second of deserting his wife and leaving them without adequate means. Mr. Brassey appeared for the plaintiff, Mary Heat-ling, and Mr. O'Meagher for the defendant, Christopher Heading. The plaintiffs evidence had been takenonSaturday.audMr. Brassey now called Henry James Ferry, a bootmaker. He had been lodging with the Headings, who were in a destitute position, and he assisted to support them. He positively denied that there ever had been any improper relations between Mrs. Hearting and himself. Mrs. Hart, a grocer, in her evidence described the destitute position in which the plaintiff was when she and her two children were laid up with measles. She was without food, and her bed was made of old well boards. Witness had to lend Iter money to get necessaries. So far as she knew. Mr. Ferry had been a great friend to the Headings, and Hearling had himself told her so about a week ago. Ferry generally paid the bills for the household supplies of food. Mrs. Hearting, all the time witness knew her, was a hardworking, industrious, and respectable woman. Mr. O'Meagher addressed the Court and said the defendant had asked his wife to go back with him and she refused. Yes, said the magistrate, but that was after he had been cowardly enough to accuse his wife in the street of misconduct, and saying that her child was a bastard. Mr. O'Meagher admitted that this was illadvised and brutal, but it did not affect this case. Defendant had already two of the children under his mother's roof, and he was willing to take the third and his wife with it. He submitted there was no charge of deserting the children sustained. His Worship said that there was a charge to answer. He had only heard part of the case, but so far the evidence was that the defendant had told his wife in the public street that her child was a bastard, and she would be wanting in self-respect and motherly feeling towards her child if after this accusation she had gone back to him. -Mr. O'Meagher : That is sentiment, but it is not law. His Worship :It is the law handed down to us from England, and it he had dared to say in the witness-box what he had said in the street I should have committed him for trial. All I say now is there is a case to answer. Mr. O'Meagher then conferred with his client, and on returning to Court he said that in regard to the statement alleged to be made in the street, although it, was not so gross as alleged, but as it could bear no other interpretation than that put on it, he should not call the defendant. He submitted that the two children who were with their grandmother were not destitute. He admitted that there was technical desertion of the wife, and one child. His Worship said the Act of 1877 was repealed, and the new Act came into force on the 17th of September. A copy of the Act had been sent up to him, and the clause of the Act of 1577 was incorporated and made more stringent. He had not the Act before him, and should adjourn I the case until ten o'clock next morning.
part 3
POLICE COURT. -Tuesday. [Before Mr. H. W. Nortlicroft, S M.J

Destitute Persons Act. — The charge against Christopher Hearting of deserting his wife and three children had been heard on Saturday and Monday, Mr. Brassey appearing for Mrs. Heading, and Mr. 0 Meagher for the defendant. His Worship now gave judgment. He ordered the defendant to pay 15s per week towards the support of his wife, and 7s 6d for the support of one child, ordering him to find two sureties of £25 each and himself In Jt'so bonds, for fulfilment of the order. He ordered further that the mother have custody of the three children, and that defendant pay solicitor's costs, £1 Is in each case.


the above was in the new zealand herald of oct 1894 over 3 days
do i think something happened .....probably  .... mary was badly treated and james was there for support and 5 years later they got married and stayed married until henrys death in 1840