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Offline LucasKernan

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Who are Peter's Parents?
« on: Saturday 04 June 22 09:16 BST (UK) »
I am in a search for Peter Kernan's parents (Born: abt. 1797 Died: October 31st 1881). I have searched for every record I could find and double-checked them for any information for his Parents (Birth, marriage, US Census, Death, etc.) but cannot find anything. Someone lists his birth place as County Cork. I know that he married Jane Neil(l) in 1827. Most of his Children Were born in County Meath, includind my 2nd great grandfather, Bartholomew Kernan (born:1839 died: 1917) If anyone has any help, please tell me.
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Lucas
Kernan, Matys, Müller, Werner

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Re: Who are Peter's Parents?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 04 June 22 11:01 BST (UK) »
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Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)

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Re: Who are Peter's Parents?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 04 June 22 12:38 BST (UK) »
Assuming this is Bartholomew's baptism, there are no known surviving records before 1836.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635222#page/13/mode/1up

https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?churchid=0945&parish=Kilcloon,%20Batterstown%20and%20Kilcock

Parents' marriage in 1827.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635064#page/45/mode/1up

No known baptism records have survived before 1798.

https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?churchid=0904&parish=Dunboyne

It would be a good idea to go through the baptisms of all the children to see the names of sponsors.

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Re: Who are Peter's Parents?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 04 June 22 14:51 BST (UK) »
Someone lists his birth place as County Cork.

What is the source of County Cork as a possible birthplace?
What was his occupation?
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Re: Who are Peter's Parents?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 04 June 22 15:07 BST (UK) »
Assuming this is Bartholomew's baptism, there are no known surviving records before 1836.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635222#page/13/mode/1up

Parents' marriage in 1827.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635064#page/45/mode/1up

It would be a good idea to go through the baptisms of all the children to see the names of sponsors.


I noticed a couple of things.
Only 1 sponsor for Bartholomew, presumably from mother's side. That might indicate that there were no convenient paternal relatives around at the time to be godfather. On the other hand, Peter's male relatives may have all been away from home when the baby was born.
Variant spellings of surname, Kernan, Kearney. Also a Kiernan marriage on opposite page.
 
Do names of marriage witnesses ring any bells?

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Re: Who are Peter's Parents?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 04 June 22 18:15 BST (UK) »
Some points for OP:

Have you checked the tythe valuations for Peter?

I would suggest that the supposed Cork origin for Peter is almost certainly spurious. If he married and had all his children in Meath, then the chances that he was originally from Cork would be less than 0.1%, in my experience. Instead, I would suggest that this supposed origin is due to the all too common phenomenon of ancestor collecting found on Ancestry - simply finding a birth with the right name and roughly the right time scale, somewhere (anywhere!) in Ireland (or even Britain/Europe).

The emphasis seems to be on Peter, but what of Jane O'Neill? Are her parents known?

Given the lack of sources, the reality is that Peter's birth and parents are very highly unlikely to be found.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Who are Peter's Parents?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 04 June 22 23:26 BST (UK) »
There has been a story told generation after generation about my surname. According to them, They originally had the surname with a O Before the Kernan. Mabye this could help?
 Best regards,
Lucas Kernan
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Re: Who are Peter's Parents?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 05 June 22 00:28 BST (UK) »
Someone lists his birth place as County Cork.

What is the source of County Cork as a possible birthplace?
What was his occupation?

The mention of Co Cork may have come from this posting of mine when I referred to a Family Tree on Family Search that seemed to be tracking the same people Kernan/Donnelly and made the suggestion that OP could contact them.  Ellen Donnelly married Wm (?) Kernan in Philadelphia.  I don't think any of the posts in several very confusing threads suggested that the Kernans came from Co Cork.  Though OP may have found a ref somewhere else. 

'There is a tree on FS that has Ellen Donnelly (my bolding made today 5/6/22) coming to NY in 1891 on the Umbria embarking at Queenstown
Perhaps OP should have a look at this tree as there are others looking it seems and fairly recently.  The name seems to vary between Kernan, Kernen and Hernen.
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/2W92-F1B'

Quite few previous posts and the risk of rehashing previous info provided is great....
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=861171.msg7303654#msg7303654

OP as a start if you want to make a separate post for every ancestor you are tracking please provide for Peter Kernan and Jane O'Neill

birth date or place (that you surmise)
Wife
marriage date & place
death date and place
Names of children, dates in birth order

There are several records that you do not appear to have searched yet
tithes records as mentioned above
Griffiths Valuation
Exploring any possible links on the National Archives census site

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Re: Who are Peter's Parents?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 05 June 22 13:07 BST (UK) »
There has been a story told generation after generation about my surname. According to them, They originally had the surname with a O Before the Kernan. Mabye this could help?
 

Prefixes O and Mc/Mac might be added to a surname or omitted from it according to circumstance. You have to remember to search for all possibilities. Looking at your other threads about Kernan, I mentioned the variant McKernan in one of them. 
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