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Kidd, Joseph & Kidd, Robert Antrim to NZ 1874
« on: Saturday 04 June 22 12:20 BST (UK) »
My G, Grandfather, Joseph Gordon KIDD emigrated to NZ in 1874. Help with family details, possibly Portglenone area.

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Re: Kidd, Joseph & Kidd, Robert Antrim to NZ 1874
« Reply #1 on: Monday 06 June 22 00:04 BST (UK) »
Have you seen the shipping record for this journey in 1874, if so could you please let us have the ages and occupations.  Where did the ship leave from and where did it land in NZ. 
Could you please also let us have details of death/marriage in NZ and the names of the children in birth order in case they adopted the Irish naming patterns and children were named for fathers/mother and other family kin.

'Traditional Naming Pattern
A traditional naming pattern was often used by Irish parents until the later 19th century:

First son usually named for the father's father
Second son usually named for the mother's father
Third son usually named for the father
Fourth son usually named for the father's eldest brother
Fifth son usually named for the mother's eldest brother
First daughter usually named for the mother's mother
Second daughter usually named for the father's mother
Third daughter usually named for the mother
Fourth daughter usually named for the mother's eldest sister
Fifth daughter usually named for the father's eldest sister. '

https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Ireland_Personal_Names

Finally you mention Portglenone. Is this family lore or have you documentation that this is where the family may have come from?

ETA what was the family's religion and here have you looked so far?  ie Family Search etc?

ETA this is a useful site to look at/
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

I often look at the Census for 1901 to find the oldest ones
There is this entry for Portglanone Benjamin Kidd born 1825. 
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Portglanone/Slievenagh/941017/

When you look at the DED for Kidds there are these entries some of whom are old enough to have been around when Joseph and Robert left for NZ.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Portglanone/Slievenagh/941017/

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Re: Kidd, Joseph & Kidd, Robert Antrim to NZ 1874
« Reply #2 on: Monday 06 June 22 13:40 BST (UK) »
This appears to be the Robert Kidd/Portglenone connection:
https://www.oneirishrover.com/poem-robert-kidd-farewell-song/

Robert Kidd with wife and children, were on the same 1874 voyage on the ship "Sussex"  to NZ in 1874 as Joseph Gordon Kidd.

Robert Kidd, son of Allan Kidd, born abt 1841, from Connaughtliggar, Portgelnone

Has it yet been established if Robert and Joseph were related?

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Re: Kidd, Joseph & Kidd, Robert Antrim to NZ 1874
« Reply #3 on: Monday 06 June 22 19:54 BST (UK) »
Robert Kidd married Charlotte Mulholland in Portglenone 1st Pres church in 1865. His father Allan Kidd, hers Henry Mulholland. Robert lived in Slievenagh.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1865/11558/8251683.pdf


Their son Benjamin Franklin Kidd was born in 1868:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03444/2264438.pdf
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Re: Kidd, Joseph & Kidd, Robert Antrim to NZ 1874
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 07 June 22 10:50 BST (UK) »
Connection between Robert and Joseph Kidd is, according to a note written on Robert's poetry book,
"Poems" by Robert Kidd, printed by - Taranaki Herald & Budget - Printers. Printed prior to 1925.
Note reads - "To my cousin Maggie from cousin Maria wishing you all the Compliments of the season 1925."
Cousin Maggie is my paternal grandmother Margaret Jane Montgomery Kidd (Stevens) - daughter of Joseph Gordon KIDD. The single Kidd shown on the passenger list of the SS Sussex ex London 17th July 1874 - arr. Port Chalmers/Dunedin, Otago, New Zealand arr. 17 July 1874.

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Re: Kidd, Joseph & Kidd, Robert Antrim to NZ 1874
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 07 June 22 10:57 BST (UK) »
Re Portglenone reference: In Robert's Poems, he refers to his relationship with a poem to:
Addressed to Members of the Young Men's Association, Portglenone, Ireland" in terms that reflect an intimate knowledge and relationship with the members.
Another poem to "Sacred to the Memory of Rev. A.M.Grey" (Possibly attached to the local Presbyterian Church?). Also a touching tribute to a "Lord and Lady O'Neill".


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Re: Kidd, Joseph & Kidd, Robert Antrim to NZ 1874
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 07 June 22 11:10 BST (UK) »
Regarding my Great Grandfather, Joseph Gordon KIDD:- I have some photos of his tobacconist and hairdressing shop in Wyndham, Southland, New Zealand, plus many anecdotes from my late father on
Joseph.

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Re: Kidd, Joseph & Kidd, Robert Antrim to NZ 1874
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 07 June 22 11:12 BST (UK) »
To the contributors - a sincere thanks for some very useful information. Some of my missing links are now providing a clear way forward. Thankyou.