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Re: Stuck on a very hard brickwork and need help...
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 05 June 22 04:07 BST (UK) »
Is this your family? -

England Census Ancestry
Census 1841    at North Side Horsley Derbyshire
WHITEMAN Thomas   25y   coal miner
WHITEMAN Ann         25y
WHITEMAN Harriet      7y
WHITEMAN James       5y
WHITEMAN Elizabeth   3y
WHITEMAN William      1y       all  "Y" born in County

Census 1851   at Horsley Woodhouse Derbyshire
WHITEMAN Thomas    40y
WHITEMAN Ann          35y
WHITEMAN Mary         15y
WHITEMAN Elizabeth   14y
WHITEMAN Sarah         4y
WHITEMAN Eliza           1y

next family listed

FISHER Charles        25y  nailmaker
FISHER Mary            25y
FISHER Hannah          5y
FISHER Ann               2y
FISHER Thomas        10m       all born in County

GRO births  Belper Union Vol 19
FISHER Thomas 1840 SepQ        mms WEIGHTMAN

Census 1851  at Horsley Woodhouse Derbyshire
WHITEMAN Thomas   69y framework knitter cotton
WHITEMAN Hannah   67y  wife
WHITEMAN Harriet     17y g.dau
ANNE         Joseph     14y lodger      all b. Horsley Woodhouse

Census 1861   at Heanor Derbyshire
WHITEMAN Thomas  50y   coal miner
WHITEMAN Ann        48y
WHITEMAN Elizabeth 22y  dressmaker
WHITEMAN Eliza       12y  seamstress
WHITEMAN Henry     10y  coal miner
WHITEMAN James      8y
WHITEMAN Lucy         1y   g.daughter  all born Heanor Derbyshire

Census 1861 ay Horsley Woodhouse Derbyshire
FISHER Charles        46y  nailer
FISHER Mary            44y   h.w.k
FISHER Sarah           18y  h.w.k
FISHER Lucy             15y  h.w.k
FISHER James         12y   nailer
FISHER Elizabeth     10y
FISHER Mary             8y
WHITEMAN Harriet   27y   visitor   h.w.k        all born Horsley Woodhouse

Possibly? -

* Your Thomas WHITEMAN is son of Thomas WHITEMAN and Hannah.

* Mary FISHER nee WHITEMAN is sister of your Thomas, and daughter of Thomas and Hannah




 
 

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Re: Stuck on a very hard brickwork and need help...
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 05 June 22 04:27 BST (UK) »
The only Ingar/Inger couple having children baptized in Heanor in the 1800 to 1812 period is James and Ann - spotted so far

James Julius 1798
Mary 1800
Anna Urania 1803
Elizabeth 1806
Sarah 1808

this look promising. The Age of Ann isn't right to the census but that doesn't mean much.
The James Inger married to Ann died in 1839 living on Negro Row, Heanor, Derbyshire, England. My Known Ann Inger and 2nd great grandfather Henry her son lived on Negro Row, Heanor, Derbyshire, England in the 1881 Census.

The most likely parents I had after a lot of research was James Inger And Elizabeth Allen.
here is the kicker Elizabeth Allen is the Witness on Anna Urania Inger marriage Banns
Film # 004415112 England, Derbyshire, Church of England Parish Registers, 1537-1918
I appears Anna Urania Inger married a John Clark at the parish of Heanor in 1821 which is well before when my Ann Married Thomas Whiteman. Anna Urania Inger mother was Ann ??? but James Later married Elizabeth Allen

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Re: Stuck on a very hard brickwork and need help...
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 05 June 22 05:07 BST (UK) »
wivenhoe only two of those are my family

the
Census 1851   at Horsley Woodhouse Derbyshire (but the actual census say image says Heanor Derbyshire not Horsley. Although I assume they are within walking distance of each other)
WHITEMAN Thomas    40y
WHITEMAN Ann          35y
WHITEMAN Mary         15y
WHITEMAN Elizabeth   14y
WHITEMAN Sarah         4y
WHITEMAN Eliza           1y

and the
Census 1861   at Heanor Derbyshire
WHITEMAN Thomas  50y   coal miner
WHITEMAN Ann        48y
WHITEMAN Elizabeth 22y  dressmaker
WHITEMAN Eliza       12y  seamstress
WHITEMAN Henry     10y  coal miner
WHITEMAN James      8y
WHITEMAN Lucy         1y   g.daughter  all born Heanor Derbyshire
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Lucy was actually Elizabeth's daughter with a Joseph Smith they were never married

the other people where the Thomas and Ann's family that has made this difficult to me I looked into them a while back since they are likely cousins or something??? I think the Thomas and Hannah are the parents to the ones in Horsley not Heanor.

My Marry Whiteman married a James Fisher born 1832


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Re: Stuck on a very hard brickwork and need help...
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 05 June 22 06:40 BST (UK) »


"Henry about 1853? (my 2x great grandfather)"

When/where/who do you have for marriage of your Henry....also children...and his death.

Where is your WHITEMAN family for the 1841 Census?


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Re: Stuck on a very hard brickwork and need help...
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 05 June 22 16:08 BST (UK) »
wivenhoe

I don't know where my they were in 1841 I only can find them in the 1851 and after.
If Ann Inger may of been married before if she is the same person discovered in this forum yesterday.

As Henry we cleared up his birth year to be 1852 all I had before was about 1853 due to the census just asking how old he was at the time of the census. 

I have also found a few newspaper clippings of Henry being arrested for fighting. Once he actually beat up his sister Elizabeth's Husband and she pressed charges against him. He also had a incident where him and  Alonzo, his other sisters husband to be, stole a cloth of some sort which was later found in Sarah's possession.
I do know that at 10 years old Henry was working in the Coal mine (I don't know which mine though) His Dad Thomas died when he was about 11. They lived in housing which was rented only to people working in the coal mines.

Henry Whiteman born 1852 in Heanor, Derbyshire, England. He died in the first Quarter of 1911 in  Belper, Derbyshire

In 1883 He married 
 Alice M Cresswell born 20 OCT 1854 Cow Hill, Belper, Derbyshire, England. She died 6 SEP 1942 Shardlow, Derbyshire, England.

They had three kids
Frederick Whiteman 11 DEC 1885 (I have his original birth cert which was passed down) my great grandfather.
Ethel May Whiteman 1887
Eliza Whiteman 1892

I have all people from Frederick Whiteman Down and traced down all living relatives from his line (which is a lot of people)

I have found a lot of Information on Ethel and Eliza and their family lines but no one in my family under Fred knows where and living people form those lines are now?

I'm am not sure Thomas WHITEMAN and Hanna are his parents? I think they are the other Thomas parents. I have looked at them before. do you have any more information on that?


 

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Re: Stuck on a very hard brickwork and need help...
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 05 June 22 17:44 BST (UK) »
Has this baptism been mentioned?
From the BT
24 Nov 1811, Heanor
Thomas, Son of John & Fanny Wheatman

Right down the bottom
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L96H-38XH

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Re: Stuck on a very hard brickwork and need help...
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 05 June 22 17:59 BST (UK) »
Yes Jon my reply much earlier on page 1 of the thread.

I thought the Fanny name connection might be of significance.

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Re: Stuck on a very hard brickwork and need help...
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 05 June 22 18:07 BST (UK) »
Hi
I thought that one was in 1807!
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Re: Stuck on a very hard brickwork and need help...
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 05 June 22 18:10 BST (UK) »
1841, Heanor
Piece 188 Book 19 Foilo 37 Page 24
Ann Weightman 24 Ind
Mary Weightman 5
Elizabeth Weightman 3
James Weightman 6 months
All born county